Kahhori Reshaped the World?

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Had ourselves another what if? What if? Oh, I

wouldn't. A repeat character. Yep. Oh, who is

that? Surtur, right? Oh, Surtur. Oh. All right.

All right. What is now? I'm here. I'm here for

this. And of course, it came to Earth. Well,

Earth's important. That's where I live. And it's

the states. Probably New York specifically or

just outside Albany. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Checks out.

Yeah, hit us with those stones. Oh, we got Benedict

Cumberbatch. He's here. Clancy Brown. That's

a familiar name. Man. That's cool. What if? All

right, I'll ponder it. You've convinced me. Just

this once. No more what ifs after this. No, that's

not true. Whoa. What if there's some corn? What

if indeed? Oh man, that one's been sitting on

the ground. I don't think I want that one. Give

them soft spots. Oh, that looked like some kind

of gourd or something. So maybe it's supposed

to sit on the ground. That didn't look like no

corn I've ever seen. Yeah, well, fair enough.

I guess the whole thing is what if? What if corn

looked like a gourd? Hey, you don't know what

the Tesseract did to the mutation of this corn.

That's true. Shouldn't be much. Tesseract is

the space stone. That's true. It's dimensional

corn. I mean, spoilers. Yeah, right. This is

a millennia before we find that out. Yeah. Whoops.

They just ran through a whole river. Dude, their

village is a long ass ways away. They are moving.

I don't like this one. I have to read. That's

where all the dead people are. Yeah, I would

say that it is cursed. That's a fair point. Well,

I'm not sure that's how that works. Yeah, I have

my suspicions. How do you know? Yeah. I heard

tales from someone. How'd they know? No survivors.

Where did the stories come from? I wonder. All

right, Jack. Muscly people. That's what I'm screaming.

It's forbidden. That looks like a. Pawn. Yeah,

there's a duck in there. Oh, he said a puddle.

That's the best. We put that guy in charge of

the jokes. There are ducks. Yeah, see? I know

a duck when I see one. Oh. These white men are

dangerous. Yeah, time and time again. Oh, man.

I key. So we got conquistadors. I heard Spanish.

Yeah. I thought this was like conquistadors hats

or helmets as they're known in the armor world.

Hard hats. Yeah. Yeah. Military hard hats. Shiny

hats. Take them to the forbidden puddle. Give

them to the ducks. The forbidden puddle. Oh,

man. Oh, that's cute. They landed right beside

each other. There's the lake. There's the Tesseract

Lake. Decoy Lake. With decoy ducks. That's Pedro

Pascal. Mr. Fantastic, he's here. I don't think

so. Kind of looks like him. See? Hard hats. Yeah,

see? Glad he was wearing it. That would have

been awkward to get hit in the head with a rock.

Right, real. Oh. That's not what you want. I

was wondering how, if she was already something

or if she was going to become something. This

is better than falling into a vat of acid. Yeah.

Yeah. I want to get shot and fall into the Tesseract

pool. I could, you know, just fall into the Tesseract

pool. No, getting shot is an important part of

it. That necessary? Okay, my bad. It doesn't

do anything if you just fall in normal. Boring.

Yeah. Not in Kansas anymore. Nope. Didn't look

like it broke. Yeah, it's still a cube. I clearly

saw the cube on the bottom. A Watu's not watching

very good. Right? Open your eyes, a Watu. Yeah.

Watch better. Watch better. You missed how it

didn't break. It was just down there. Fully cubed.

You know what bothers me about constellations?

They'll take like three stars and make an entire

picture out of it. Yeah, that's a bear. Yeah.

I'm not sure you've ever seen a beer before.

I need a little bit more than that. You fell

in the water already. Everyone's just getting

along. Oh, right. This is how we tie into Avatar.

Oh, man, that's cool, man. This is very cool.

Yeah, I'm trying to be a sky person. See, shoot

me and throw me in the lake. For real, man, I'm

coming after you. Oh, man, that's not fair. Are

they going to eat this? Probably. Imagine just

swimming around and all of a sudden you're in

a bubble. Floating above your home. Aatrox. It's

forbidden now? He's over there making a pot.

Kahorty. Kahori, the world shaper. Well, maybe.

What is wrong with that man's hand? Well, that's

in Florida. You think so? I've been. I don't

know. To the Fountain of Youth? Yeah, it's in

Florida. Oh, okay. All right. The water there

is not the best, I tell you. No. Donde esta?

Biblioteca. In case you were wondering if they're

the bad guys, they set the forest on fire. Yeah,

right. If there was any confusion. She's going

to figure out how to use this power something

fierce, I think. Yeah, touch that tree. See what

happens. Well. There you go. Wolf isn't a clay.

Oh, okay. Show off. Right. It's going to be a

hell of a jump to get up there, though. Yeah.

How about the light touch and he'll throw her

or something? Yeah. Cannonball special. Yeah.

She's got a stick. Oh, she's going to step on

the stick. Oh, snap. Oh, no. Fall. Not snap.

There you go. Didn't work the first time. Try

it with three. That's right. Oh, now it's working.

Oh, she's dead. Oh, man. Luckily, that one branch

was right there. Well, I mean, he said they don't

die there, so it just might hurt a bit. That's

fair. Yeah, man. Well, they don't die, but I

imagine she could be horribly disfigured. And

on a branch every time. All right. I don't know.

Trade you. Yeah, right. I'll take that any day.

I don't think she'll love it. Call it a hunch.

That's a something. Yeah, that's living. The

little shine they put on her nose makes me keep

thinking there's a nose ring there. That's a

single bead of sweat that never goes away. Right.

Yeah. There it is. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah.

I want one. Space bison. You want one? Yeah.

What, for? Look, see, there's tons. Riding or

eating? Yeah, for riding. I wonder if it's like

Avatar. You got to plug something into it. Gross.

Well. I don't make the rules. No, no, you do

not. Oh, he's dead. They did. They did cover

their they did cover themselves earlier this

time. No one can die. Yeah, yeah. Oh, they just

played a pull the classic cartoon trope where

the one that they grab is a different shade and

color. Yep. There it is again. You know which

one they're going to grab because it's colored

different. It's all faceted. Oh. Speed Force.

If she gets out in front of all of them, she

gets to lead them. But she tripped. Oh, well,

we almost got to find out. Oh, funk. Oh, snap.

There you go. Man, that poor little guy just

trying to run around and have a good day. And

here she is. Call him a little guy. Well, his

mama thinks so. You don't know. Maybe he'll land

on his feet. Oh, shit. Look at that. Yeah, he

did. Well. A full flip. That would scare me.

And she got all his gubbins. Corey got four thousand.

Thank you, kind stranger. Now let me eat this

rock. Yeah, seeing those seeds in there, like,

I don't know that I didn't want to take a bite

of that. He found it. Listen, they're going to

go eat rocks and live in immortal land. That's

a brash decision. Leaving for Spain is not like

a small thing at that time. Let's leave for Spain,

load up the ship and let's take months. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, we're about to put the can't die

thing to the test, I think. Yeah. I could get

used to it. Well, I mean, for a minute. There's

conquistadors in the woods. These white men are

dangerous. Oh, we got Neo up in here. I know

Kung Fu. Show me. I've seen this scene before.

Right. My origins is choking these cookies into

the roots. Oh, she bringing the door to her.

All right. I thought she was just going to fly

up there. She's just like deciding how they're

going to do their life, you know? Right. It's

a cool, it's a cool silhouette. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

that's kind of nice here. We don't really fight.

It's peaceful. kind of neat the way they did

the face paint making it when it talks it moves

interestingly that's a little unfair you're basically

way more powerful than all of them already you're

just gonna walk out there and pick all those

boats up out of the water or something Insane.

I mean, she's about to, I think, right? It starts.

I've got my spyglass. It's a will -o' -wisp.

Yeah, that's what it looks like. That guy's got

a big old bruise around his eye. I didn't see

any baubles in her pockets. Damn. You want something

done, right? Yeah. Don't turn the boat around.

Jump pit deep in water. Hit the deck. Damn. Oh.

Too bad she wasn't wearing one of those fancy

hats. Right? Huh. Nice. They did all come. What

a leader. Oh, man. Damn. Just trampling him.

God bless it. Skada. We had a little chat after

you left and we decided you were right. Dude,

she's getting trampled. She's fine from the cannonball

to the head she took just a second ago. Right.

I don't feel like he's a fine. No. That hand's

still there to this day. Legend tells. Stop blowing

holes in my ship. All right, that's twice you've

been jacked this episode. It's fitting there.

We're on the high seas. Sure, sure. The old fleas,

glowing fleas. Yeah, they've. All kind of acquired.

The same move. Give us some original content.

Other people. Yeah, we saw how they were using

the power all crazy before. Yeah, now they're

just now they're just all dashing around real

fast. Oh, there you go. There you go. She showed

up. They have the bloodlust. That's Will Turner.

It does look like him. This is the Pirates of

the Caribbean episode. Right. Oh, they come all

the way. She, she learned Spanish. She learned

Spanish. That's part of the, the space stone

does that too. Obviously. Oh, it should. It should.

Ordain to rule you. Yeah. Watch how that works

out. Pulling Marilyn Monroe up here. Yep. We're

about to see the Queens undies. Your throat is

broken. Oh, snap. Well, you found her. Well,

that's fun. All right. We made it through. Well,

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Industries podcast. I'm John. And I'm Remy. And

we invite you to join us as we work our way through

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fair game. All categorized in the temporal order

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and enjoy this episode of Stark Industries. Hello,

ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the deep

dive for Snark Industries. We just watched What

If? Season 2, Episode 6, What If? Kahori Reshaped

the World. John, you want to tell us what that

was about? Absolutely. Another installment of

my favorite series, as we discussed last time,

What If? We start off here with Odin holding

the Tesseract in front of Surtur, Ragnarok happening

on Asgard, and ultimately... As it does so, the

Tesseract survives and free falls to Earth, where

it settles in somewhere and creates this pool

of energy that sort of feeds off of its essence.

And then we introduce our main character, Kahori,

who is there with her little brother, Wata. And

they are Native Americans just doing village

life, it seems, picking crops, you know, living

life, running through the woods. And they find

this sacred place that is forbidden through woods

with skeletons in it. And ultimately, they find

this pool that looks kind of lackluster, minus

some pretty cool looking ducks. But then, cut

next scene, we see a group of conquistadors who

have come, who ultimately are searching for the

Fountain of Youth. Kahori and her brother run

away from these conquistadors who are wreaking

havoc, as, you know, they do. ultimately find

the real pool that is this sacred place that

contains the Tesseract. Kahori is shot by one

of the Conquistadors and falls into this pool.

And in doing so, instead of dying at the bottom

of a watery grave, is transported to what they

call the Skyland, in which case she finds this

whole tribe of ultimately her ancestors who had

made this same passage through. and have realized

in this new land a plethora of powers and abilities,

not least of which is immortality, it seems like.

No aging, no dying, even through things that

would kill normal people that we see as they

fall from great heights and get stampeded over

by a bunch of very cool -looking beasts covered

in gym fruit. Head by cannonballs. But she adopts

this power, but realizes and says that this land,

this sky world, is not a paradise, but a prison.

These people are here, but they've disconnected

themselves from who they are, from where they

came from, to live in a land of blissful ignorance,

effectively, is what she's getting at. And she

realizes that her people are still in danger

from the conquistadors and gives an impassioned

speech, which doesn't seem to work as she returns.

back to her tribe and attempts to stop the conquistadors

who were leaving to return to Spain, who captured

a lot of them, probably killed others, and held

her own pretty good on the beach. And as you

say, ultimately under a barrage of cannon fires,

not able to stop all of the cannonballs and gets

clocked in the noggin with one of them. But just

in the nick of time, it appears that her speech

did in fact work and everyone else that was there

shows up to help. And we see a scene of a lot

of Native Americans zipping all over ships and

knocking these conquistadors out. Jumping around

like little fleas. Like little fleas. And destroying

these ships and killing the conquistadors and

freeing their people. And then the episode ends

where Kahori and everyone else step through a

portal that she has obviously created to... Speak

to the queen, Isabella herself. And. Removes

her from her throne and destroys it. And basically,

this is how we, as the title says, see Kihori

reshape the world. So obviously. You know, well,

then at the very end, there's a little something

to. Oh, yes, of course. Doctor Strange does appear

and says, I've been looking for you. Seems important.

Yeah. So ties in a little bit there with that,

what he's doing there, exactly what he's looking

for her for. Not clear at this juncture, but

yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I did forget that little,

that little tidbit, but perhaps is relevant for

some future project. But yeah, so I mean, with

a, with a, you know, with a breakdown like that

and everything, we talk about how this ties into

the MCU in general, like the other what ifs.

It only kind of does because it is a what -if

scenario. Branch universe. Interesting, yeah,

branch universe. Interestingly enough, we do

see, and it probably is important that you mention

it, with Doctor Strange coming, does that somehow

bring her to tie her back in to the main universe

later? Or is he part of her what -if arc? I do

believe that that was the evil version of Doctor

Strange that we'll be introduced to later. Well,

we were introduced to in season one. Since we're

watching them temporally, we haven't actually

been introduced to him yet. Well, I suppose that

answers questions may be answered on its own.

So but in either case, they don't show us in

this episode. So it is a bit of a toss up in

mystery. This could still be a standalone, in

which case that is what these what ifs are for,

I would say. So as I said, they don't really.

tie in in any sort of practical sense to the

MCU at large. But how about comic books? Comic

books is actually kind of kind of interesting

because we don't tie a whole lot to any comic

roots. But Kihori being a brand new invention

for this show, this episode specifically was

so well received that she actually became a character

in 2024 in a publication called. kohori reshaper

of worlds number one in november of 2024 so kind

of cool that the episode of tv that i know you

weren't uh huge on but the episode of tv that

that created this character and this this whole

world we now have this character in the comic

616 universe that is very cool kind of neat that

it was able to kind of reverse the flow of the

narrative yeah but other than that nothing huge

just you know a watu As far as Easter eggs, I

didn't see a whole lot. I was keeping my eye

out and nothing really grabbed me. Did you catch

anything I might have missed? It was pretty cool

to have Surtur and Odin there at the beginning

and see how Ragnarok take place, as it would

have happened if the events of the Thor Ragnarok

movie didn't go down, I would say, that led to

this what -if scenario. I thought that was interesting.

I don't know if I'd really call that an Easter

egg since it was front and center as an introduction

to the episode, but still cool. Right. So what'd

you think overall? Overall, I did like this episode.

I'm not a huge fan of what ifs, as I said before,

and I'm sure I'll say a lot of other times as

we go through these. I thought that this was

very visually pleasing and well, you know, the

story was well made. I did not care particularly

for the leap they took in what the. space stone

is and what it does the tesseract as we know

later to be the space stone what it is and what

it does is how it granted seemingly unrelated

powers to all these people um the only thing

i could kind of imagine as i was kind of thinking

through it is that perhaps the space stone itself

wasn't what greater than the powers the powers

came from whatever land they went to and they

were able to simply bring them back to the actual

world and then use them. Perhaps that's what

they were going for. That's what I'm going to

tell myself to feel better about it because everything

they did had nothing to do with the space stone

and everything to do with lots of other cool

stuff, but not anything super related, which

I thought was a strange choice overall. So that's

my headcanon. I'm going to stick to it. I did

like this episode overall, even if I don't appreciate

the what if series at large, this, this was a

good one. I would say. Yeah, I also enjoyed it.

I do agree that the power sets that were given

via the space zone were kind of silly. Maybe

some headcanon could be that they connect them

to places that have these energy flows. Could

be. I'm also wonder if now that they've left

that land, whether they're still immortal or

not, because if that's the case, we got a whole

bunch of immortal Native Americans running around.

And a portal that is essentially the fountain

of not even youth, but immortality. So I have

many questions about what this world looks like

after the fact. But as far as the episode goes,

it was fun. I completely agree with the the power

sets. But, you know, I can look past it because

it was visually pleasing, although I do feel

like I've been spoiled visually by the Eyes of

Wakanda series. Honestly, watching these back

to back, this one is. pretty, but it's nowhere

near as pretty as the eyes of Wakanda. That's

a fair take. And so far, you know, so far through

this, this journey we're taking together. And

with all of you that are listening, we've only

been in Marvel animation. Yeah. But, uh, that's

about to change soon. So, uh, we'll, we'll look

to see how things go from, from the animated

pages to more of a, uh, real life scenario. Live

action. Yeah. Live action. Looking forward to

it. That's what I was looking for. Yeah. But,

uh, I'm good with words. But all in all, um,

No wonder you do a podcast. Obviously, I'm stuttering

as well. We're the best at this. That was a fun

episode. Thanks for joining us, folks. We will

catch you in the next one. Thank you for joining

us in this episode of the Snark Industries podcast.

To join the conversation and further explore

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