Spider-Noir · Season 1 · Episode 1
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of Snark Industries. Good to see all the other
IPs getting their hands on some stuff. Yeah,
right? We don't get to listen to the bam, bam,
bam, bam. But we can see the Prime. I love that
you can switch back and forth between color.
That's rad. Oh, yeah, I guess the Spider -Verse
would still be... What a weird licensing thing.
Mm -hmm. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. I'm already upset.
Upset? Man, I'm excited. Are you kidding me?
This is starting not too dissimilar from from
the first Sam Raimi. Oh, what's happening on
the screen is cool. I just have a particular
distaste for Nick Cage. Oh. This is yet another
character that's going to be multiple personas
within the MCU. Yeah, three, because he is Spider
Noir in. Spider -Verse, but it's a different
character. That's Peter Parker. This has been
Riley. Oh. You know, I didn't think I realized
that we're learning stuff together. What a great
time. The spider. Oh, man, that voice. Yeah.
Oh, we got your Tommy guns. Yeah, my Tommy gun
don't. Man, you're getting more of your fix than
you thought you would. I know. But then they'll
be gone forever. So I enjoy it while I can. Yeah,
right. Oh. A little pop of color. Kind of curious
to watch this in black and white. Wow. I'm sure
it was filmed with intent. One would think. Well,
now that's there and it's just going to be stolen.
I hope you didn't spend a lot on that. Yeah.
Well, we cred in that to Ruby, not Ben. Well,
I guess he has been weird. Spiderception. I'm
not going to lie, man. It's hard to look at him
and see Spider -Man. I know, right? That's what
I was getting at earlier. And you like shamed
me for it. That's fine. I'll take the shame.
I'll take the shame. I can shoulder this shame.
Oh, there we go. I like this. Yeah. Shout out
to Tony Stark for really revolutionizing the
through the front of the mask view for the heroes.
Yeah, yeah, right. Ever since he did that, everyone
does that now. Well, not everyone, but you know.
Oh man, that guy was actually half. Like half
his face was spider. That was kind of messed
up. Man spider or something. Question mark. I
mean, I'd love to see it. Let's see some cameos,
some Easter eggs. That's what we're here for.
Dude. Dude, I want to see like the man spider
and doppelganger and stuff like that. Yes. Give
us some weird ones. I want to see the bizarre
stuff. Spider verse could take us there. That's
true. Oh, Phil Lord and Christopher Miller were
actually executive producers. That's great. Man,
that is interesting. Those are both comic writers.
Yeah. I love that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Shane. Yeah,
Shane. Oh, man. I'm kind of excited and a little
apprehensive about this, if I'm honest. It is
fun that, after all, going through the old content,
really, we're getting brand new content in the
timeline. Yeah, brand new old content. Love it.
Yeah, brand new old content. That's right. When
you just openly smoked in places, what a time
to be alive. I mean, for many, many, many years
to follow, too. That's fair. Hell, I remember
when you could choose smoking or non -smoking
on an airplane like it mattered. Yeah. We're
all getting it, but you go sit up there. That's
fine. Oh, man. Oh, God. Thank you. Back when
he's not moving through the street like Spider
-Man would. Big of a problem. Well, that's because
he's an old man. That's about how I would move
through the street, too, to be fair. Yeah. Oh,
man. Is Peter tingled? Oh, come on. And that
takes out Spider -Man. I love he was like 10
feet away. He decided to go run back into his
car, sit down, peel off rather than just chase
him. Well, I mean, he was a he looked like a
bit of a heavier man. I'm not a runner. Which
way? I'm pretty sure that's the back lot in Hollywood
Studios. This oil company is Standard. Hmm. Yeah,
people really had no creativity back then. No.
This is the Standard Oil Company. What should
we call it? Standard. Ah, yes. That'll show them.
We got the Spidey Sense. Well, it didn't work
just a minute ago, and now it's just mildly annoying
him. Yeah, right? Yeah, where was that when the
door was coming at you? Oh. Hey. Fire. Fire.
I feel like you could throw a lot of clothes.
Yeah. Yeah, bro, what'd you expect? You're not
bulletproof. I mean, presumably. Maybe. I don't
know that, I guess. Unfortunately, he shot up
at the Standard Oil Company. Directed by Michael
Bay. Let's see, where can we put them where we
can get an explosion? Are you jacking him? Oh,
man, you taking the dollar bills out of that
man's wallet? He's got three dollars in 1933.
A million dollars, I think. I'm pretty sure you
could buy a whole bar for $3 back in the day.
Yeah, I actually just looked it up. That would
be about $70 in today's money. Well, how about
that? Isn't that ridiculous? Maybe you couldn't
buy a whole bar. Yeah, that is ridiculous. Yeah,
so $30 that he was offered is about $700. It's
pretty upsetting. Oh, my goodness. Lady. Wow.
This is her. Oh, he's sharp. He's saying she's
too hot for you. Pictures of Spider -Man. I don't
trust him. Highly suspect. More like a stalker
with money. Oh, wow. What a weird handshake.
He thought so, too. It was loose and fast. Those
are two things you don't want in a handshake.
Yeah, see? See, man, if you're watching this
in black and white, you are missing this man's
fine suit. Look at that. I know. That is fire.
That's like a legitimate guy, too. That dude
almost ran him over. That guy was not even thinking
about stopping. Maybe he couldn't see the orange
suit. He was watching in black and white. Diner.
Oh, hey, that's Brendan Gleeson. Gravitas. What
is a used pickle? What did you use it for, Ben?
Yes. These are the questions that he answered.
I need a hero. Oh, this is... Well. Oh, got him.
Slow look up. Oh, man, she drowned in a car.
That's terrible. Yeah. Handcuffed to the steering
wheel. What's up with that? Well, I just don't
think that's true. You know, honestly, I'm I'm
going to say that was probably some of the best
acting I've ever seen Nick Cage do. Give the
man his credit. Right? Wow. A crime has been
committed. That was like $1 ,000. There you do.
You never take algebra. I'm glad that we got
away from everyone just having a molest stash
instead of beard or nothing. Every person. Yeah.
Hot off the presses. How wild were newspapers?
Just sit here and read this. Yeah, we've been
watching through. I love Lucy and Ricky is always
reading a newspaper and it's like, God, that
is just a constant. It's like our phones. Yeah,
that's what I said. The original iPhone newspaper.
Got him calling you out. Oh, man, my ass would
hurt on those stairs after that long. My ass
hurts just watching. Seriously. Oh. The no -tell
motel. Got her. Man, that's got to have one heck
of a zoom. Enhance, enhance, enhance. You couldn't
do that anymore. Just give away what floor they
go to. Right. They probably change it for a reason.
Yeah. This guy specifically. This is the turning
point for elevators everywhere. This creeper.
This stalker hired a stalker. If only you could
just scale that wall. What he's doing right now.
What is he doing right now? I need an adult.
He decided to take that one for his homework
folder. That's for later. Yeah. See, he's not
acting like he's got spider powers. Like, not
only could he climb that wall, but sure, he's
not using his powers. But come on, what? Why
is he winded? What is that? He's an old man.
Yeah. I guess we're getting the retired spider.
Yeah. Spider geriatric. Just open the door. See,
this is that stealth thing again that I say nobody
on Earth wouldn't notice their door open. Yeah,
OK. That guy's so bald. And he also took a picture
with the opposite side of the camera a moment
ago. Oh. Oh. So he's got his shooters on or see
one of the Tobey Maguire all natural webs. No,
he's organic. All natural. Oh, at least Parker
was in the comics. I don't I don't know about
Ben, I suppose. I can't keep up with all the
different spider. What they tell you when it
comes to Spider -Man and X -Men. I got you. These
are my my domains. That's why I keep you around.
Oh, that's the dude from Inception. Whoa, that's
a jump. Yeah. Hashtag inflation. Plug you. Wow.
She is overtly sexual. And she is pointing it
directly at Ben, too. I mean, look at that. Yeah,
I wouldn't fire. He's going to catch a stray
there. Yeah. Man. I love the way cars were designed.
Back then, look at those things. Back in my day,
yeah, and they all look the same. Well, I mean,
that's true. But I like the design. That's just
a two -seater. They really do all look the same
when you can't tell the difference between a
four -seater and a two -seater. Well. Oh, yep.
Incognito mode. Pull your hat down an inch or
two. Okay. Ominous. Reminds me of Harry Potter
when Draco and Well, I guess it was Snape and
Harry. Well. He does spoiler. Mm hmm. Well. Bring
it back from the grave. Mm hmm. Find him in the
morgue. Can I believe that you got your tie tucked
into your shirt? Right. I thought we were going
short ties again for a second. I think it's still
short, but it's also tucked into a fold of his
shirt. Yeah, it is. Pretty awful. I feel like
he's not going to make it very long. Oh, I know.
He's got $3 in his wallet. And go a long way
back then, man. Long way. Red light. Oh, she's
doing photo stuff. Let's calm down. Well, after
she said what she said earlier. Oh, God. See,
there's that again. They couldn't help it. Oh,
the plot thickens. Yeah. As I looked through
it with my magnifying glass. Enhance, enhance.
The original enhance. Yeah. If that thing drove
past my house, I would be so mad. Yeah, right.
It's a truck with a big speaker just barking.
Oh man, the look on her face. Yeah. He's about
to get it. It's called his Peter tingle. Or at
least it's his Ben tingle. Oh, doesn't get better.
Yeah, no. It's a gift that keeps on giving. Don't
drink my drink. Oh, I thought there was alcohol
or something in it. Maybe there is. I mean. What
is happening? They are blackmailing. No, no,
I understand. Oh, OK. Gotcha. I just don't know
how I feel about it. That man's suit, dude. I
mean, that is fire. Yeah. Cat Hardy. So the black
cat and Felicia Hardy. Maybe interesting or an
actual plug. Yeah, I'm not sure. Or can we can
take. So far, we are nowhere near the comic series.
See, Felicia was a character in the comic. And
she was the owner of the Black Cat Lounge. So
not too far off. Ew. I see that man's crusty
foot. I was going to say he's a terrible actor,
but I wasn't sure if that was Ben or Nick Cage.
Tell him I need to party. Yeah. I'm getting my
dance on tonight. Man, I love the way people
dress back then. I'd so much prefer it. I'm hot
just thinking about it. One would assume that's
a little chilly in the air. Otherwise, all these
people would be drenched in sweat. So I think
everyone was just drenched in sweat. God, imagine
the smell. Here's a nickel. Here's two nickels.
Oh, man. What did you expect? She's a headliner,
dude. Nice voice. He's like, whoa. Boy, those
are some eyelashes. Yeah. I think she went a
little overboard. I think they're trying to be
like the cat eyes. Just a little something. Yes.
Excuse me, miss. You have something in your hair.
It's spiky. All right. Well, now you're being
weird. Yeah, right. Yeah, everyone else is listening.
He's slowly walking towards the stage and raptured.
Yeah. She does have a beautiful voice. What do
you expect? She's a headliner. See, that's how
that feels. Hey, it wasn't toward you, it was
toward Ben. It's fair, it's fair. getting intense
here. I know. She's singing to you. The weird
hand movement thing. I don't know that I like
her. dancing a little stop moving just saying
dancing moving around is fine but her little
hand motions are a little uh i don't know i've
got a good picture of you sitting in the audience
sweating from all your attire and heckling her
about dancing it's canon see me in the audience
move less Would you hold still? Oh, so his spider
sense goes off even when there's someone dangerous
nearby. Interesting. Not when he's in danger.
But then he got hit by a car door and didn't
know. Yeah. It's called plot convenience. No.
The Bentangle works when it wants to. Stop calling
it the Ben Dingle. Hit him with that rotary phone.
He's not within 10 feet of his phone. That's
that's what. He's anywhere else other than the
phone room. Yeah, right. Donegal's dead. That
guy looks like a, like Will Porter in like 30
years. Ew. Ah. That was pretty rough. Fortune
favors the bold. Yeah. Not so much. Well there
is. Oh, there it is. That was pretty, pretty
graphic. It was. Maybe 30 years is a little.
Not so generous to that guy. Maybe 20 years.
Doesn't he, though? He looks like Will Porter.
Looks like Adam Warlock. Sure. I feel like you're
just saying that. Shut up and agree with me.
Okay. Thanks, doll. Flint. Oh. Flint Marco. We
know that name. Mm hmm. That's a one Mr. Sandman.
Mm hmm. Read me a dream. He's got the sand colored
suit. Mm -hmm. I like it. Yeah, that's good.
That is a good one. Sharpened him. Yeah. Spider
-Man. Blackmail. Blackmail. And that's what that's
what I was saying earlier. I don't know how I
feel about it. Yeah. Yeah. Get him. But I guess
technically he's not Spider -Man right now. He's
fallen from grace and is. That's true. That's
true. I would assume working his way back. Right.
Correct. Yeah. Yeah. You're absolutely right.
That's a sand colored suit. I mean, unless you're
trying to mess with him, I don't think going
down a back alley by yourself is the move. Oh,
he's totally trying to mess with him. You kidding
me? He knows. He knows. I know. But I'm saying
like he didn't. He's avoiding all of this. Ruby's
been dead a long time, but I don't care what
she thinks. True. True. I'm going to rip this
cigarette and blackmail this lady. Oh, yeah.
And he was so much time. Yeah, that's really
beautiful. Sound that man's voice sounds like
he's speaking through gravel. There's sand. Mm
hmm. Mm hmm. Oh, man. Opium. Well, then you don't
get the negatives ever. Yeah. It's about time
to bust out them spider powers. Nope. About time
to bust out this wrench. Or a two by four. I'll.
Oh, we got to see some sounding Sandy. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate sand. It's coarse. It
gets everywhere. It gets everywhere. Oh, man.
It's like, bro, you good? It looks less sandy
and more. Cigarettes put out in his palms. Give
it time, give it time. Yeah. OK, OK, yeah, yeah.
You know, of all the Spider -Man villains, he
has kind of one of the roughest goes of it until
he actually learns how to control his powers.
Well, yeah, he's saying. Yeah, he falls apart
like half the time. Literally and figuratively.
Yeah. This is Sparta. And now is the time to
flip. There it is. Just to see Nick Cage doing
that, man. I know, dude. I'm not buying it so
far. That is pretty damn funny. He's just...
He's just... All my personal feelings about Nick
Cage aside, I just don't buy him as Spider -Man.
I know. I know. And where was his spider balance
just now? I mean, come on, man. Well, he's...
Yeah, he's an old man. We're assuming he's not
been doing this for so many years, it seems like.
Based on what he said, I think he hung it up
about Ruby and then. Yeah, it's been five years,
I believe. You think it would be like riding
a bike. It's a it's a innate power that he has,
not a one would assume a skill he practices.
And it's not like you lose your balance over
time. Well, I suppose that's not entirely true.
And I life alert. Take that back. I feel like
Spider -Man wouldn't lose his balance quite like
that. I don't know. I would. I would agree. It's
kind of strange with their with their which I
said, I guess it's it not only is a from personality
and power standpoint, it's all. Oh, my. She sang
so good. I was enraptured. I stood up and walked
across the room and everything. I like her eyelashes
better this morning. Slipped through the cracks.
He just fell apart. All right. Okay. Ladies and
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You're a special boy, Remy.
New York, 1933. Ben Reilly hung up the spider mask years ago after losing the
woman he loved, and now scrapes by as a private investigator who turns down
more work than he takes. A case tracking a man named Addison ends in fire
and an explosion at a Standard Oil company, and a chance partnership with a
rival investigator named Donegal. Back at the office, a new client wants proof
his wife is stepping out, and the trail leads Ben to a nightclub singer named
Cat Hardy and, more dangerously, to the mayor. A blackmail scheme forms,
Cat's muscle Flint Marko enters the picture, and a rooftop confrontation on an
unfinished building forces Ben to briefly use the powers he has spent years
hiding. In the end, Ben hands over the incriminating negatives for free, his
secretary threatens to quit over yet another payless job, and Cat Hardy walks
in with a new assignment: find the now-vanished Flint Marko.
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and enjoy this episode of Snark Industries. Hello,
ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Snark
Industries Deep Dive. We just watched the first
episode of Spider Noir. John? What was that about?
Yeah, so Spider Noir, pretty fun. Out of the
blue here, our first detour into new content
fitting into our timeline, which is pretty exciting
and fun and totally did not spark a little freak
out from you, which was fun to see. But so we
have episode one here where we have the story
of the spider, Ben Reilly, who is a... spider
universe vigilante fighting after World War I.
They do a quick sort of cut scene of showing
different things that happened, of how he's hung
up his mask because it's just not worth it anymore
after he lost his soon -to -be bride, Ruby, some
years ago. And we find out a big deterrence already
from the stories that we kind of already know
that she is attributed to the line, with great
power comes great responsibility, which is at
least still a central theme in pretty much all
of spiderdom. Except for the extortion in this
one. Right. So, you know, he's hung up the mask
in that sense, but is now working as a private
investigator in New York. Still seemingly, as
we kind of see through the episode, helping people
doing good things. And that's why he is broke.
He's got a secretary who is mad at him because
he's not bigger and always keeps turning down
work. So that's kind of interesting. But he's
got a job to start with where he's tracking this
man named Addison. And as he's doing so, he is.
knocked unconscious for a few moments on the
ground from another private investigator who
was also looking for this Addison, which was
kind of a strange turn of events to not see his,
even with hanging up the mask, not seeing his
spider powers, his bentingle in action. Oh, God.
He and, yeah, sorry. He and this other investigator
by the name of Donegal tracked this Addison fellow
to a standard. oil company, who then engulfs
himself in flames and goes to attack. Donegal
ends up pulling a revolver and shoots this man
who, as I said, in an oil company, lights everything
on fire and we have a big explosion. Afterwards,
Ben and this Donegal sort of bond a little bit
and finds out that they were hired by the same
guy. to find this fellow with this little joke
about one being paid less than the other. Then
we see him kind of back at his office. Another
client comes in, a Mr. Carmody, who is convinced
that his wife, who... Ben doesn't immediately
believe is actually his wife because of how she
looks versus how he looks. Yeah. What do you
call him? A syphilitic walrus? A syphilitic walrus.
Believes he's having an affair and wants him
to sort of find evidence of this. And we get
this little nod, which I thought was interesting,
about him taking photographs and how he's a good
photographer. You know, bring me pictures of
Spider -Man. And so it just kind of goes goes
down that. But he goes and finds her and she
is indeed at a hotel with another man. They seem
they sort of share this kiss and slap each other.
And it's all very weird. And then he gets out
of there and it turns to find out as he's getting
this film developed that the man that she goes
to see is the mayor. He decides to wash his hands
of all of this. He doesn't want any part of it.
But instead, he and his secretary decide that
they are going to use these photographs to try
to blackmail this woman. into giving them money
so that they don't release her relationship with
the mayor. So he finds out that she is a singer
at this club. He goes, he listens to her sing.
He's enraptured by her. And we sort of get these
first sort of plugs. We find out her name, Cat
Hardy, which is, as we'll kind of later figure
out or put together, or those that are fans will
know already, is the Black Cat. So he tries to
blackmail her. She introduces him to her muscle,
Flint Marco. AKA the Sandman. Yeah. And he's
like, well, you know, let's, let's talk about
it tomorrow. I'll just leave this one here and
you can talk to me about the negatives at a later
time. And so he leaves the bar at that point
being trailed by Flint, who takes him up into
sort of this scaffolding of a, of a building
that's being done. This sort of. Almost, dare
I say, quintessential fight area. It's always
in these unfinished buildings that these things
happen. Oh, classic. Yeah. Yeah. And they sort
of do battle up there in a manner of speaking.
It's a lot of swinging around of wood and things
like that. We don't really get to see a whole
lot of spider powers throughout the entirety
of it, though he does use his webbing once to
save. Well, not really save. Cat was about to
get slapped by the who we find out later to be
the mayor. He stops him from doing that. And
then during this fight with Marco, which we get
to see sort of the Sandman stuff start happening.
You know, his body calcifies and everything.
He throws Ben off the top of this building and
we get to see him use his webbing once again
to save himself. And as all this kind of happens,
he swings back up there. Sandman is beat down.
Black Cat shows up. He decides to give her the
negatives for the photos for free because he
feels bad for her. And then sort of the final
scene of the episode, his secretary is quitting
because he's once again not gotten any money,
which, to be honest, I'm not super mad about
is this was a blackmail scheme to start with.
It just doesn't feel right to begin with. But
she's quitting and Black Cat walks into the office
saying, well, no reason to quit. I actually want
to hire you for something. And so, you know,
we will assume that the secretary probably will
stay for this as they they discuss some pay.
And ultimately have this job to now go and find
the missing Flint Marco Sandman, who is mysteriously
vanished since their encounter on the unfinished
rooftops of this building. So that's more or
less episode one. Yeah. Last we saw him, he was
completely sand. So I guess I'd go into hiding,
too. Yeah. Maybe he's not even really hiding.
Maybe he's just on a beach somewhere blending
in. Well, he fell through the grates. Yeah. Yeah.
So. Yeah, I mean, that's that's kind of what
happened. Episode one, a good setup in terms
of how it ties into the MCU. And you can kind
of correct me here. I think you're probably better
versed in the spider verse. See what I did that
I am. But, you know, Spider Noir, I think in
general is kind of a almost alternate reality
of spider done. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So we have these characters that are callbacks
to the what would ultimately be the MCU proper.
But they're different in different ways. Like,
you know, we got Cat Hardy, who's Black Cat,
you know, so it's just different kind of thing
that they're kind of plugging in. And it seems
that they're already taking some liberties, like
I mentioned in the synopsis with the great power
and great responsibility bit and everything else.
But because once again, and we're doing a lot
of this early on, which I kind of like, to be
honest, but we have something that doesn't really
super, super tie into the MCU at large because
it is meant to be sort of standalone. With this
particular IP, I think this is the first one
that we've had that is part of the Sonyverse
stuff that we're inputting into this, which certainly
have their place and certainly stories that deserve
to be told. And Spider -Man is iconic, dare I
say, one of, if not the most iconic Marvel character
that there is. Yeah. And everything. But in terms
of tie -ins with the MCU at large, it's going
to be mostly sort of parallels of characters
that we know without any real bearing on. stories
in the MCU in general, unless they try to do
something really crazy down the line. But at
least in episode one, that doesn't seem to be
the case. But that being said, I feel like there
will probably be a wealth of information in terms
of how this ties into comic books. So, Remy,
why don't you tell us about that? Oh, so much.
Yeah. Well, first, we're going to kick off with
what universe it is in. And we actually don't
know. This one is completely unnamed at the moment.
Of course, we have not watched all eight episodes,
so it could be named by the end. But as it stands,
we do not know the universe because he even says
right out the gate is someone asked him what
universe we're in, and he thought it was an odd
question. So it's the only one he knows of. So
we categorically know that this is not the same
Spider -Noir that is from the Spider -Verse movies
because that is Peter Parker. This has been Riley,
which. Talking about comic book tie -ins, that's
a pretty big comic book tie -in. Anyone that
knows anything about Spider -Man and the clones
and all that jazz knows that Ben Reilly is a
huge name. He is in the comics, the Scarlet Spider,
which is my personal favorite Spider -Man. And
to use that name here is very interesting. So
that is obviously a huge tie -in to the comics
in a very strange way. But as far as the actual
roots are concerned, there were... two runs was
a one run uh one with a start and a sequel uh
spider -man noir one through four in 2009 and
then there was a follow -up uh spider -man noir
eyes without a face that was a four series a
four comic book series as well and that was a
follow -up to the first bit and then there was
also a spider -man noir in 2020 and there's a
current running spider -man noir series as well
so a lot of source material to pull from a lot
of characters to pull from, they're doing an
interesting thing like Cat Hardy, for example.
That is Felicia Hardy and the Black Cat. So there's
a lot of mixing up of names and a lot of kind
of picking apart, deconstructing and reconstructing
these characters because they don't parallel
the comics very well so far. I mean, episode
one, again, there could be a lot more parallels
coming up. But from what I've seen, no great
parallels. But moving on to Easter eggs that
we caught, there was the as I said, the statement
of what universe is this? Ben starts with someone
once asked me what universe this was. Strange
question. It stuck with me all these years later.
All I could say, it's the only one I knew of.
So that's kind of a cool like right out the gate,
breaking away from thinking this is the same
Spider -Man of Spider -Verse. He would obviously
know of other universes. There was the opening
narration over web swinging, slinging, which
is. almost exactly like Peter Parker in the Sam
Raimi trilogy. We've got the organic web shooters,
which, again, if you know Spider -Man comics,
you flop back and forth between the mechanical
and organic. There are a dozen versions of each.
And as you mentioned, with great powers comes
great responsibility. Being attributed to someone
else feels a little weird. But as we mentioned
in the watch party, attributing that someone
named Ben might be a little weird because his
name is Ben. Strange choice, but I'm down with
it. And I also wanted to point out Silvermane.
He is in the show. His name is Finn Byrne. I
don't know that we've we've heard that yet. But
in the comic, his name is Silvio Manfredi. So
they kind of shortened it to Silvermane, which
is an alias in the comics. But the name itself
has changed. So, again, a lot of comic tie ins,
a lot of characters being taken out of the comics
and then reused and re. shuffled, I suppose.
But, uh, yeah, all in all, what'd you think?
Yeah. So, uh, I was excited that we were going
to do this and, and, uh, you know, I've, I've
heard this was coming and it was just funny that
it sort of fell in our timeline of where we were
basically already at. Yeah. So it's fun to be
able to watch this in real time with you, uh,
first time for both of us, uh, and first time
with all of you as it's kind of happening as
it's just releasing now at the time of our recording
and everything. So. That is pretty exciting.
I am a big fan of all things DuMar. I really
like that sort of setting vibe. Yes, sir. Things
like that. Do what? I said, yes, sir. Oh. I don't
know what I thought you said, but it wasn't that.
But yes, you're right. So I'm a big fan of this.
So there's sort of that sort of vibe and everything.
So it was cool to have that. I am a little bit
apprehensive about Nick Cage being the showrunner,
as I think we discussed in our episode zero.
Ghost Rider is my favorite hero from Marvel,
and I hate. those movies with Nick Cage in it
because it's such an amalgamation of a hero that
I really, really love and adore. Oh, man. So
having him be the main character once again is
a whole mood. I don't know if I super buy him
as Spider -Man, but then I guess if they're really
trying to lean into the, you know, old man, he's
out of his element, he's out of his game. I just
don't feel like with Spider -Powers that would
really be the case. But, you know, that's what
they're going with. Who's to question their artistic
direction with that? But that being said, I really
actually still enjoyed this episode a lot. Like
I said, I really liked Nomura a lot. I really
liked, and you mentioned it in the Easter eggs,
the Silverman, the Brendan Gleeson character.
Brendan Gleeson is a treasure. I like him in
everything that he does. Yes. 100%. Yeah. And
I mean, even the little bit that we got to see
of him in this episode, very sinister. The scene
where he slits the... The guy's throat is like,
I mean, it is rough. I mean, I felt stuff that
I was like, oh, man, that is that is that, you
know, so really, really making a setting up a
potent villain and, you know, couldn't have a
better actor to be playing it. You know, I think
so. Oh, yeah. But I really liked it. I really
liked all the plugs and the characters that we
recognize, even if they did sort of reimagine
the naming and, you know, maybe, you know, the.
general vibe of these characters you know they're
still familiar characters so that's pretty fun
and i did like we got to see it really in flashbacks
more so than anything but i really did like and
i think they did a very good job of the noir
suit like the oh it's beautiful yeah the outfit
i mean it looks exactly like i imagine that it
should look on the screen you know so they really
did a good job with that you know i said i look
forward to what i imagine will be him redawning
the suit sometime before the end of this season
but yeah overall A lot of fun. Worth it. I have
to swallow down my pride a bit and say, even
with my hatred of things that Nick Cage has done
to the characters that I like, he did well enough
here. And just the vibe and the general setting
and everything else really made for a good time.
So how about yourself? Tell us about it. Yeah,
I completely agree. I thought it was a ton of
fun. Having read all of the Spider Noir comics,
except for the latest issues of the current running
series. It's a ton of fun to not only see that
world reshuffled, but the Spider -Man world that
we know reshuffled. I really appreciate that
having been already familiar with these stories,
I'm getting something new. I'm getting a little
bit of a reshuffle of something that I'm familiar
with. And that to me is a joy. Loved seeing the,
like you said, the character drops, the familiar
names, the... Sandman, for starters. He's one
of my favorite Spider -Man villains. He's such
a unique character. Started out in the comics
as a petty crime, a petty theft, I think it was.
But I kind of dig that they're taking him and
making him more of a sympathetic character here.
Because I've always really appreciated Flint.
He becomes quite a character in the future. So
to see him in live action that is not Spider
-Man 3 is nice. So, yeah, I'm with you. Hey,
man, that was a that was a train wreck. And I'm
kind of looking forward to getting to it. I can't
wait to see the Tobey Maguire symbiote dance.
It's my favorite part of any movie. That's going
to be fun. But yeah, long story short, like you,
I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed the visuals,
the aesthetics of the costume specifically. I'm
really looking forward to him because we know
he's going to bust back into the suit. He's going
to have some reason to get the suit out of the
wall and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I'm
really looking forward to seeing him in action
and not Nick Cage being himself. Because watching
Nick Cage swing via web was uncomfortable. I
don't know if that's the word, but it was weird.
Agreed. Agreed. But all in all, thoroughly enjoyed
it and very much looking forward to the next
seven episodes. Same here. Well, ladies and gentlemen,
we hope you enjoyed that as much as we did and
cannot wait to see the rest of it with you. On
to the next. Goodbye, everybody. thank you for
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Snark Industries makes its first jump into brand new content with the premiere of Spider-Noir, and the timing could not be better since it happens to slot right into the timeline the show is already working through. The full plot gets walked through, following Ben Reilly, a retired spider vigilante turned broke private investigator in 1930s New York, as a missing-person case pulls him into blackmail, a burning Standard Oil confrontation, and a rooftop scrap with Flint Marko. Familiar names get reshuffled throughout, from Cat Hardy to Sandman to a menacing Silvermane, and the hosts dig into the deep well of Spider-Noir comic source material and what it means to build this world around Ben Reilly rather than Peter Parker. Personal thoughts land firmly positive on both sides, with genuine praise for the noir aesthetic, the costume design, and Brendan Gleeson's villain, tempered by some honest hesitation about Nicolas Cage swinging around as an aging Spider-Man.
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Synopsis
Ben Reilly, a spider-powered vigilante who fought crime as The Spider after World War I, hung up his mask after failing to save the woman he loved, Ruby, whose words, "with great power comes great responsibility," had defined his heroic era. Five years later, he's a broke private investigator. The Spider, a distant memory. A client named Winston hires him to track a man named Addison, a job another PI, Patrick Donegal, was apparently working simultaneously. Their paths collide when Addison is found. Cornered, he conjures fire. Donegal, for fear of his own life, shoots him dead, triggering a gas explosion. Ben drags Donegal clear and, while he is unconscious, confirms via the man’s wallet that they shared the same case.. and that Ben was being underpaid.
A second client, Mr. Carmedy, hires Ben to photograph his “wife” in the act of an affair, which ultimately leads him to a nightclub owned by Cat Hardy, a lounge singer with ties to Silvermane, the crime boss who has controlled New York for years and essentially owns the police. Ben is able to photograph Cat with what turns out to be the mayor. Later, over a diner meeting, Ben's journalist friend Robbie Robertson notes that Silvermane recently survived a fire at his mansion. When Ben confronts “Mrs. Carmedy” (Cat) about the photographs, she doesn’t seem pleased. Less pleased, it seems, is her bodyguard, Flint Marko, who follows Ben up to the rooftop. And, as we discover, whose skin has begun turning to sand. A fight ensues; Ben wins but backs off when Cat intervenes. He gives her the negatives free of charge. The next morning, with his secretary, Janet, in the process of quitting over unpaid wages, Cat walks in. She wants to hire Ben to find the now-missing Flint.
Reality Designation
This story takes place outside the main Marvel continuity: SI-002
Reality numbers are Marvel's official designations.
Where a universe has no official number we follow the Marvel Database and use its Temporary Reality Number (TRN-1092). Where there is neither — official or temporary — at the time we watch it, we assign a Snark Industries number of our own (SI-001).
Characters in the Episode
Milestone: Killed by Patrick Donegal
The pyrokinetic at the center of the opening case. Conjures fire when cornered and is shot by Donegal, dying in the gas explosion.
Milestone: His mansion is burned down
Kills in this episode: 1
The season's primary antagonist; introduced as the crime boss who controls New York through police corruption and fear.
The client who hires Ben to photograph his wife, setting the Cat Hardy case in motion.
Milestone: Killed by Finbar "Silvermane" Byrne
Kills in this episode: 1
A rival PI hired on the same Addison case; Ben saves his life during the explosion.
A newsboy and friend of Ben and Janet.
Milestone: Meets Ben Reilly
A nightclub singer with ties to Silvermane's world who becomes Ben's client by episode's end.
Cat's bodyguard. Confronts Ben on a rooftop and reveals a partial sand-transformation power before vanishing by episode's end.
Mayor of New York City; appears briefly, establishing the political landscape under Silvermane's influence.
Supporting figure in Silvermane's orbit.
Supporting figure in Silvermane's orbit.
Milestone: Meets Cat Hardy and sees Flint Marko turn into sand
Lead. A retired superhero turned PI, dragged back toward his past life by cases involving powered individuals and organized crime.
Ben's journalist friend at the Daily Bugle; provides context on Silvermane's grip on the city.
Ben's underpaid assistant, perpetually on the verge of quitting and functionally the only source of order in his office.
Ben's late wife that tragically died handcuffed to the steering wheel of a car.
The client who hired both Ben and Donegal to track Addison; his deeper motivations remain unclear.
Comic Roots
Where the episode's people and places come from on the page.
The show lifts its Depression-era New York setting, its noir visual language, and several of its core characters directly from this miniseries; Robbie Robertson, a Black Cat analog, Sandman, but substantially rewrites nearly all of them. Most significantly, the show's Spider-Man is Ben Reilly, not Peter Parker, and his powers come from a wartime origin rather than a spider idol. The "great power" speech, traditionally Uncle Ben's, is handed to a woman he loves and loses. The bones are the same; the flesh is entirely different.
The sequel to the original miniseries and the more direct template for Silvermane's function in the show. The Crime Master in that series -- a shadowy syndicate boss pulling strings from behind institutional cover -- maps closely onto Finbar Byrne's hold over New York via police corruption and political control. The show isn't adapting this story directly, but the structural DNA is evident.
First appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #73 (1969) as Silvio Manfredi, a Maggia crime boss whose defining obsession across decades of comics was cheating death and reclaiming his youth. The show keeps the name, the institutional menace, and the advanced age, but strips out the supernatural ambitions and reimagines him as Irish-American. Brendan Gleeson's Finbar Byrne is less comic-book villain than entrenched machine boss -- closer to the realistic end of what the character could be.
Debuted in Amazing Spider-Man #4 (1963) as Flint Marko, a straightforward career criminal who gained sand-manipulation powers and became one of Spider-Man's most durable recurring antagonists. The show makes a significant tonal departure: this Flint is not a villain by choice but a man whose transformation is killing him. His sand powers are presented as a terminal condition, which reframes every scene he's in as tragedy rather than threat.
First appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #194 (1979) as Felicia Hardy, a cat burglar with a complicated relationship to both crime and Spider-Man. The show reimagines her as Cat Hardy, a nightclub singer.
Itself is a layered reference. In mainstream Marvel continuity, Ben Reilly is the Scarlet Spider, a Peter Parker clone (supposedly) who temporarily took on the Spider-Man identity during the 1990s Clone Saga. Using that name here, for a character who is also operating under an assumed identity and questioning what it means to be a hero, is a deliberate piece of comics shorthand aimed squarely at readers who know the history.
Recommended Reading
Where to go next if the episode left you wanting more.
The original miniseries and the most direct source material for the show's aesthetic and character lineup.
The classic telling of the Red Skull's origin, useful for understanding the monster the team is wittingly allowing to be created.
A newer miniseries released as a tie-in to the show's production. Unknown what impact it will have on the series at this point.
First appearance of Sandman. A quick single-issue read that shows just how far the show has taken Flint Marko from his origins.
First appearance of Black Cat (Felicia Hardy). Useful context for how dramatically Cat Hardy has been reimagined.
The Snark File
Easter eggs, callbacks and technical tidbits.
"What universe is this?"
The opening narration has Ben state: "Someone once asked me what universe this was. Strange question. It stuck with me all these years later. All I could say for sure was it was the only one I knew of." This is a direct declaration that this Ben Reilly is not the animated Spider-Man Noir voiced by Nicolas Cage in Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018) or Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (2023). No one shows up to recruit him into a Spider-Society, and the line is intentionally left unexplained.
Opening narration over web-swinging
The episode opens with Ben delivering a first-person monologue while swinging across the city, a direct structural callback to Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy (2002-2007), which opened each film with Tobey Maguire narrating his own story.
Organic webshooters
Freddy's wealthy father is said to have been wiped out in the 1929 stock market crash and to have died by suicide soon after, anchoring the Malick family's fall to a real and specific moment in American history.
"With great power comes great responsibility"
The foundational Spider-Man motto is delivered by Ruby rather than an Uncle Ben figure, inverting the classic origin while preserving its thematic weight.
The Daily Bugle
Appears on a newsstand in the background. Robbie Robertson is connected to it as a journalist. J. Jonah Jameson is conspicuously absent to this point.
Silvermane renamed
In the show he is Finbar Byrne; in the comics he is Silvio Manfredi. The "Silvermane" alias is retained, but the show reimagines him as Irish-American rather than Italian-American.