Hela Found the Ten Rings?

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of Stark Industries. I like this intro, comic

book -ish. Yeah, very much. Well, what else is

new? I like how she just casually has me on her

there. Right? So Hela is like if Galadriel kept

the ring. Yeah. You'll have a queen. Yes. That's

a fair point. She's speaking truths right now.

Oh, we've seen that. We know this trick. Yep.

That's where she learned it. See, it all ties

together. Yeah. She's just like her daddy. That's

literally the same move. He even blew it up the

same way. Oh, man. This also looks familiar.

Yeah. Yeah. Same location. Odin does not disappoint.

He just, yeah, same room, same moves. This episode

of What If is what if Odin did the exact same

shit with another kid? Well, 10 ,000 years earlier

or whatever. Yeah, right. That's an exaggeration.

It was only like 4 ,000 years earlier, I think.

Yeah, what is it? This is ancient China, yeah?

Yeah, I'm trying to remember the date. Sometime

in the past. Long time ago. Oh, that's cool.

Oh, hell yeah. I'd say it's like the hammer.

So we're equating Hela's helm to the hammer.

Yeah, though she had the hammer too. I mean,

she got all the toys. In space. Oh, okay, we're

at the title sequence. Makes sense. Space. The

final frontier. Since we're at credits and it

just passed, how do we feel about bearded Thor

versus non -bearded Thor? Traditionally, he's

been non -bearded, but of course, Hemsworth.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't really have much of a preference.

Doesn't make a difference to me. I think the

non bearded Thor was a reflection of the clean

cut sort of mentality that they had when he was

originally made. But in actuality, you know,

Norse tradition, he probably would have been

bearded. Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Watch the watcher. Do you have any what if comics

growing up? I'm going to guess no. I did not.

It's never been. It's never been something that

drew me to it. Yeah, I had a stack. Dude, Jeffrey

Wright's voice is perfect for the Watcher. I

don't disagree. OK, yeah, slow walk. Let's do

it. She took Mandarin as an elective. I mean,

think of how many people she's gone up against

and slaughtered of it. They know hundreds of

languages. You know, I tell you, I just don't

see how to sit down and be like, you know what?

Teach me some basic hellos before I jam this

through you. I guess that's fair. Yeah. Oh, looks

like someone doesn't have your back anymore.

Oh, man, playing that card. She didn't stick

with it long, though. No. So I don't know that

someone with Mjolnir and her helm and the magic

abilities that she has would be that proficient

at hand -to -hand combat. Yeah, why would you

need to learn how to? Right. Right. I'm sure

there was a huge part of the tutelage that involved

that. But how many years has it been since she's

needed it? And did you keep it sharp? It's the

Voldemort paradox. So relying on magic when he

could have just yeeted that baby out the window

and been fine. That's so messed up, but you're

absolutely right. I mean, you know. Oh, man,

that is so wrong. Love it. Would have been for

a very different story. Extremely different story.

I do like the parallels. I mean, this is rather

than Thor and then surrounded by S .H .I .E .L

.D., it's hella surrounded by Chinese terracotta

warriors. Well, they're not terracotta yet. In

the rain, making that face. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah.

They might be terracotta. Hopefully still. I

know this is their inspiration for sure. Do you

guys hear about all those soldiers that just

stood there forever? Let's make them do that.

But longer. Forever. Yeah. Someone likes Hela.

Put this little outfit on. Oh, man, you see that

face? He was like, let's go. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Someone's someone's got a thing for Hela. I believe

in Bambi, they called it Twitter painted. Really

glad they got Blanchette back for this. Yeah,

very cool. I also need to find out what mascara

she's using because it's really holding. Asgardian.

Yeah. Probably not going to find it at your local

Sephora. Yeah, right. New at Ulta, the Asgardian

collection. Makeup that stays forever. Well,

to be fair. Mm hmm. Oh, boy. Shoot your shot,

my man. Go for it. Right. I mean, that's a that's

a. Really honorable position to give someone

who. Ultimately is just a person right now. Yeah,

but, I mean, you saw her kick a bunch of your

soldiers' asses with no powers. That's fair.

Give her her powers back, guess what she's going

to be able to do? Seems like a good tactical

move, honestly. I suppose it, well, yeah. But

then she bashed his face into a table and jumped

out the window, so that one was over. Then there's

that. Yeah, well. It's a valiant effort. She

got a good rest out of the deal, though, so all

in all. Oh, yeah, yeah. In the positive, I would

say. Although she lost her green and black skin

suit. Yeah, seems so impractical anyway, really.

Oh, this little thing. Forgot about this little

thing. Oh, man. I mean. Talking to its butt.

Looks like a cooked turkey with wings. Turkeys

do have wings. Watu just chilling up there. Well,

little do you know. I'm really trying to get

the mileage out of that joke. I know. But humor

is the best humor. I've always said that. Sorry,

if I'm in a mystical forest and someone tells

me to run, I don't care who it is. I'm running.

Yeah. OK, it's not time for a committee. It's

time to go. Speaking of Harry Potter, it's like

the the Triwizard. Yeah, the maze. We'll see

if Robert Pattinson is dead at the end of this

one. Oh, cinematic. You can't do a horse scene

without doing that slow -mo jump through something.

Well, it's like taking a spaceship out of, well,

a Death Star or something like that. Every single

time you fly it out, you've got to be engulfed

in flames and shoot out the end, right? That's

right. It's the exact same thing. Tropes are

tropes. Oh, she just got punched by leaves. And

her horse runs away. She's like, I'm out. Oh,

maybe not leaves, just too fast. Oh, yeah, that's

cool. Or maybe Punch by Leaves. I'm not on Hella's

side anymore. Nah. I mean, I wasn't to start

with, to be fair. I was just like, oh. Dude,

I love that they made Heimdall black, honestly.

In Norse mythology, he's very racist. So the

fact that he's a black dude in MCU, I love it.

I think it's fantastic. We'll show you guys what

we think about this. Kills me It's forgot all

spiky for a second that was red yeah New girlfriend.

Oh, that's interesting. Mm hmm. It was just like,

yeah, lady, but she does have a kind of similar

outfit to them now with her sleeves ripped off.

Yeah, yeah, I kind of dig it. I'm one of you.

You didn't know. one of us Fending off darkness

with more darkness. The sinister smile at the

end really sold that for me. Yeah, right. You're

right. I'm all in. Yeah. Falkor. Yeah. If you

don't behave, I'm going to feed you to that.

Got a freaking luck dragon. You know what kills

me? We haven't seen Feng Feng Foom in the MCU

yet. I know. I didn't see. Is that Anthony Hopkins?

You know, it doesn't really sound like I was

thinking. It doesn't. It doesn't really sound

like him. Yeah. The Mr. Miyagi treatment. Yep.

Wax on. Wax off. Just breathe. Almost went there.

I'll go there. I don't ever mind going there.

Wherever there may be. One of the things I appreciate

about you, John. Look at this. That's a hell

of a flower. Oh, they're picking up the sheet

tricks. Yeah, see? They've heard about this man

in Wakanda that has lots of sheets. She's like,

aha, and then? No, and then. Oh, well, I'm way

happier now. Fenris Wolf. Hit me with a stick.

This is how Hela became Avatar. Earth. Wind.

Fire. Air. What if Hela was from the Fire Nation?

Now that's a mashup. And she learned origami.

I'm just going to start saying that anytime that

someone does something, you know. Impressive.

Yeah, I don't know. Specifically, though, you

still have a lot to learn. Yeah, yeah. You win

an argument. Not bad. You still have a lot to

learn. Heimdall? Okay. A lot of Star Wars parallels

here. This is Luke leaving Yoda on Dagobah. You

know, when it's not broke, don't fix it. Right.

We back at Troy. It is definitely a similar vibe.

Yeah. He doesn't care that she bashed his face

into the table. How you doing? Yeah, no joke.

Yeah, you really got to give it to Marvel Animation.

Yeah. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. Just wow. Just

wow. I would meddle that a lot between this and

when we see him in the films later. Well, I mean,

you know, it's probably his new girlfriend, Frigga.

His new girlfriend, Frigga. Really, really grounded

him. Yeah. She made me a better man. Gave me

a son. Helped me find another one. You think

that mortal shield would be able to hold up to

Odin's power? Well, that's literally what I was

about to say. With all due respect, these two

and their and their trinkets aren't standing

up to the Allfather. I'm sorry. The rings might

be able to hold a little bit, but it's certainly

not that shield. And that would have been cooked

straight through. Well, it could be a magical

shield in its own right. Fair. It did come from.

That's absolutely true. You're absolutely right.

Airbender Village. Airbender Village. Is that

Kung Lao? No, they said it earlier and I've already

forgotten. Why can I not think of the name of

it? Someone somewhere is making fun of us right

now for not knowing. That's all right. Now you

have two. You broke my stick. I love the rings

floating around, grabbing his shit out of his

hands and everything. It's like, damn it. Damn.

How hilarious would it be in a few episodes,

you know, like Nova or someone is flying and

just this blast from Odin out of nowhere comes

and hits him. Yeah. Sorry, that was way. Whoops.

Oh, fire knives. That's cool. Oh, that's not

good. Hey, we saw where she learned that move.

It's like, where'd you get that from? Odin's

not used to all these fancy Eastern martial arts.

Do we think that Hela could actually control

the Odin spear without his consent? That feels

like that wouldn't happen. I agree. I thought

that same thing, but I was just going to let

it slide. All right. Glad it's not just me. Gungir

is his just as much as Mjolnir, Thor's, etc.

Right. Like that. Yeah, that's not Anthony Hopkins.

No. Yeah, it doesn't sound like him at all. Oh.

That's all she needed. Just like the Mjolnir

and the Destroyer armor, it's Odin and her hat.

Her hat. Yeah. It's like boomers in the younger

generation. Oh, shit. You learned the lesson

I was trying to teach you. That's not good. Yeah.

Well, hold on now. You're not supposed to be

able to do that. Right. Oh, man. You think your

little bracelets are going to protect you against

that? Well, they're doing all kinds of stuff.

Oh. Well. Hello, the white. She's always been

white as far as I know. See what I did there?

I did. It's like the Gandalf transformation.

It is pretty cool. Ascension. Gandalf. Yes, that's

what they used to call me. Hela. Yes, that's

what they used to call me. That's peace. Yep.

Oh, man. Oh, that's a cool way to travel. I love

that. Whoever thought of that clever way of him

running? Brilliant. See, that's why I'm not cut

out for these sort of things. My foot would go

in that ring and I'd fall immediately. That's

another one in the books. That's a good place

to call it. What if? Yeah, we'll see you all

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and enjoy this episode of Stark Industries. Hello,

ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the deep

dive of Snark Industries. We just got through

watching What If Hela Found the Ten Rings, which

is season two, episode seven of the What If series.

John, take it away with the synopsis. And just

as we get into this, a reminder to everyone who's

listening, in order of release, we do this because

we are doing everything in temporal order of

the MCU itself. Yes. It may seem like a weird

jump to go from Wakanda to season two of What

If? But there is a reason for it. And I think

it's a good reason. Because when you have this

all together, you can go down this in order of

when things happen in the MCU in general, which

we're kind of marrying together here. And they

have done as well. So just a little side note.

Yeah, which has been a ton of fun so far. Absolutely.

Three episodes in. It feels good. Definitely.

I think it fits and I don't feel whiplash at

all from this. But anyway, so yeah, just a real

quick breakdown of the episode for those who

didn't join us for the watch party or for those

that did. We have an episode where basically

instead of Odin banishing Hela to hell as she

was being a naughty child, he instead sent her

to Midgard in this ancient Chinese setting. I

believe, Remy, correct my math here, but you

said around 700 CE or AD, depending on who you

subscribe to. 667. Okay. So, yeah, roundabouts

in there. So, you know, this ancient Chinese

culture and we immediately get a look at Ten

Rings being there and where the namesake comes

from. What if Hela found the Ten Rings? And Hela,

in a very parallel... scene and breakdown that

happened in the first thor movie which we will

get to eventually but odin strips of her power

he banishes her to earth he you know whispers

into her helmet whoever be worthy shall possess

the power of hella and tosses it back in the

hole as well and you know we have a very real

parallel here of her trying to find her way she

gets here and immediately kind of you know being

hella wants to take over Tries to fight everyone,

realizes ultimately that without her powers,

she is not useless, but certainly not useful

in the sense of the greater scheme of things.

And we have her sort of having this growth journey

as she meets different people, not only there

within the area itself, Talo, which is where

she's at and where she kind of meets, which is...

referenced in the Shang -Chi movie as well. A

lot of pull -ins from different areas here, but

learns a little bit about herself, a little bit

about, ultimately, what she says is peace. And

it turns out that in doing so, and going to this

sort of mystical safe haven of Ta Lo, Heimdall

loses sight of her, takes this to Odin, who sees

the Ten Rings and everything that's happened

as a sort of threat to all of the Nine Realms,

and brings an army down to take them. And ultimately,

her and Odin clash at the end, and she rises

victorious, sort of ascending into this white

version of herself. You know, her clothes change

and everything else. I believe we've made some

Gandalf references there in the Watch Party.

Oh, absolutely. But, you know, she has all these

things and sort of ascends to this new level,

takes over effectively the throne, sort of merges,

it seems, long term. Asgard and Talo together

and her and everyone else sort of go and protect

the cosmos in that sense. And they even show

a scene where she shows up riding Fenris Wolf

and everyone else is there with her as well,

going and stopping Thanos as he's there on the

planet with child Gamora, giving her the perfectly

balanced dagger that has been the... focus of

a lot of memes since then but ultimately yeah

that's that's kind of where it comes to an end

is you know what if she finds the ten rings and

ultimately the ten rings she finds a person who's

uh yeah still attached yeah still attached you

know which honestly and i hadn't seen this episode

before here but uh wasn't what i expected going

in i you know i thought that she was going to

use and command the ten rings but instead she

did not But yeah, so that's the kind of breakdown

of the What If Hello Found the Ten Rings episode.

And now I think we're going to move on to our

sort of tie -ins section. In the MCU in general,

like I said, there's a lot of parallels drawn

in. Obviously, the what ifs only tie in loosely

to the MCU in general because they don't really

happen. They're all sort of by design of what

if this happened, but it didn't. But still, we

can see tie ins and we can see how everything

kind of comes together. And as I mentioned in

the synopsis, you know, we have the parallels

between this episode and the first Thor movie

where, you know, it's this rebellious child that

needs to learn ultimately her true place in the

universe kind of thing. We see not only the parallels

of her being cast to Earth, we see the parallels

of she wields Bjorn in this episode, which I

thought was. Kind of a strange choice, but it

is there. And then Odin destroys Mjolnir there

in the same exact way that she destroyed Mjolnir

when Thor threw it at her. She threw it at Odin.

Yeah, that kind of happened. I did have curiosities

that because we do not know when Mjolnir was

crafted. Do we do we have a date on that? Because

it would make sense for her to wield that prior

to Thor's birth. Yeah, it's certainly possible.

I mean, you know, I suppose like a lot of things

when you. When you get to something like this,

it'll depend on the writer and the run in the

comic series of when it was actually done. I've

always kind of assumed that it was sort of crafted

for Thor specifically. Yeah, me too. But, you

know, maybe they were going a different direction

here. Not a problem if they were. Of course,

it's what if. Yeah, not even just what if, but

if you zoom out on the scope of all of these.

comic books, stories, movies, TV shows, and everything

else, there are differences and continuity issues

abounds because there are different writers,

different runs, different arcs that they take.

So to me, that's not super problematic as long

as we understand that there are, you know, ultimately

a lot of different universe designations and

a lot of different story arcs within the same

universes that maybe don't, one begets the other

sort of thing. Yeah. And speaking of universe

designations, while we're passing by it, this

one is currently designated as Earth TRN 1092,

in case you were curious. How about that? Carry

on. Get that tattooed somewhere. Yeah, there

you go. So we see these parallels. And then,

of course, we have the parallels. Once she gets

to Earth between this and between Shang -Chi,

we see a lot of the same locations. And everything

else. We see the ten rings. We see the... The

critter without a face? The critter without a

face, yeah. They got a lot of mileage on those

jokes. Yeah, whichever one you want to call it.

The lucky dragon. We see all of these things

sort of tied in. So I believe the tie -ins are

there are just sort of homage to other things

that are happening. Obviously, it intentionally

set itself with its own universe designation

here so that it could exist outside of the...

constraints of the sacred timeline but ultimately

we knew that because this is a what if episode

and it's not doesn't have any real bearing outside

of just entertainment and so we'll we'll get

to that portion in a minute but but first uh

remy let's let's uh go through how these tie

into comic book roots yeah so uh what i picked

up on was of course hella We're to start there.

Her first appearance was in Journey into Mystery

number 102 in 1964. So that is Hela's intro and

the flame blades powers that was introduced in

Jason Aaron's era, which was 2012 to 2014. So

we got to see a little bit of that. And then,

of course, we have the 10 rings, which has been.

modified by the MCU to where Zu Wenwu is in command

of them. So the Ten Rings, of course, as we know,

is originally attributed to the Mandarin. That

is a bit of a problematic character these days.

So when the MCU introduced the Ten Rings, of

course, they side skirted it in Iron Man, and

then they gave the official designation to this

character. So that's kind of the roundabout.

Connection to the comics that we have. Those

are the only three that I really found. Of course,

we've got Fenrir and all of all that jazz. But

those are the three three stories that I really

found solid ground for. Yeah, I mean, you know,

and interesting, definitely to see always how

these things evolve over time. Yeah, absolutely.

Hello for being first introduced 60 years ago

before either of our times and everything else.

It's definitely. Pretty cool. And you did say

something. I kind of actually want to touch on

this a little bit. I'm sure we'll do more of

a deep dive on this when we get to it in Iron

Man 3 and in Shang -Chi. Brace yourself. We're

going to get there, Revy, and you're going to

have to enjoy it. I'll watch it. Yeah, yeah.

But the idea of the Mandarin, you touched on

it. I definitely just want to talk about that

just for a second here as this was tied in here

because the Ten Rings, obviously, for anyone

who's... Been around for a long time and really

knows these stories. Yeah, we're definitely changed

significantly. Not even just taking them from

the Mandarin, who agreed, problematic character,

a bit of a caricature. Definitely a little heavy

on the racism, I believe, in today's climate.

A little bit. And they just sort of did a lot

of major changes, not only to the character itself,

which we have with the Ben Kingsley rendition.

Later on, but also the rings of power themselves

are quite a bit different than before. They were

kind of actually legitimate rings. And now they're

to go back to our episode one talks bangles.

So it's definitely it's definitely interesting.

I think it's probably overall a good change.

I wish some things had been done differently,

especially for such a big, prominent character

as the Mandarin. But I understand why you would

want to distance yourself from such things. Yeah.

So that's that's all I wanted to really say about

that, unless you have something to add. No. And

to the MCU's credit, because the Mandarin is

such a problematic character and and very heavily

rooted in a character and racism and all that

jazz. I'm I'm not mad that they they softened

it. I don't love the way they approached it.

However. I don't know if you've seen Wonder Man

yet, but they did expand upon Trevor's character

and they kind of made it a little bit more acceptable.

They probably should have done it earlier because.

I've hated Iron Man 3 for a decade or more at

this point. I've got a few reasons to dislike

that movie, but we'll get there when we get there.

Oh, for sure. Yeah, we certainly will. But nevertheless,

I do like that they did give him a bit more stability

in the MCU as a whole in both Shang -Chi and

now Wonder Man. So it's a little bit more acceptable

as time goes on. But the jarring change that

they forced. Back when Iron Man three came out

was really difficult to deal with. I did not

love it at all. But moving on from that, this

is normally where we would talk about Easter

eggs. But with a what if episode, I mean, it's

just it's always an homage to a story. Exactly.

It is an Easter egg. So we're obviously not going

to go through all that. But let's let's go with

your thoughts. How do you like it? I will quickly

touch before we get to that. There was one thing

that I did want to mention that I don't think

is canon, and you can correct me if I'm misremembering

or just flat out wrong. But when Hela says, my

dad's new girlfriend, Frigga. Yeah. Which definitely

implies, I mean, you wouldn't talk about your

own mother that way, implies that from this perspective.

Thor is only Hela's half brother. Yeah. Yeah.

Which is an interesting, interesting change.

And I actually don't know if it's a change. I'm

with you. I'm not entirely sure if that's a canon

change or not. I've always understood that they

were actually legitimately siblings. But like

I said, there's so many stories. There's so many

arcs. Yeah. You know, this could have been touched

on before or this could be something new here.

let us know in the comments, you know, kind of

thing. Like if, if we're totally off base here,

but I thought it was interesting nevertheless.

So, all right. Yeah. A hundred percent agree.

Moving on. Do we like it? Do we not like it?

Now I'm going to be a little bit jaded going

into this and, and I'll say it here as this is

the first one. And we have three seasons of this

to go through. I do not like the what if series.

And it's not because I think that they're poorly

made. It's not because that I, you know, think

that there are stories that don't need to be

told. I don't like things that don't have stakes.

I don't like things that story, you know, where

stories don't mean anything. And that's what

these ultimately at the end of the day are. They're

interesting stories, but they exist outside of

the canon, so to speak. They don't add anything

to the overall plot line. They're just little

fun snippets. And I can appreciate that something

is well done. And I think this episode specifically

was well done. I don't like it for those reasons,

you know, and, you know, to get into the little

details, you know, you know, having hella weird

wield Mjolnir, whether or not that was something

that happened before. I didn't particularly like

it. Having her sort of being able to take gun

gear from from Odin and then somehow just wield

his power. Yeah. Strange, you know, very, very

strange kind of thing. So. An interesting story.

Cool to see her sort of rise above being a villain

and be ultimately a hero of sorts in this case,

though there definitely seem to be some touches

of imperialism and stuff like that at the end,

which I don't know. We built a cosmic empire

and then we're taking care of everybody. That

doesn't sound like every dictator. For the greater

good, damn it. Yeah, right. Yeah. So interesting

to see that. Like I said, I mean, it was a fun

story, but ultimately. One that I personally

don't like. And now for an entirely different

take. Well, we were talking before we watched

this episode, how in the last episode we spoke

about how John doesn't like the no stakes stories

and inserting characters in stories that already

exist for no reason. I'm on the exact opposite

end. You never had any. What if comics? I had

a whole stack of them. I loved them. I thought

they were fascinating. So when this show came

around, I was all excited. Some of the episodes

do not hit there. There are some big piles of

junk in there, but there are episodes like this

that really stand out as well told stories. And

I love the opportunity to see what a character

could have been, what a small twist in the story

can do to the overall outcome of the universe

when it comes to this kind of stuff. So I've

always really enjoyed the what if stories like

I had one that was what if the war machine had.

never defeated the living laser. And it was the

weirdest, most bizarre story, but I found it

fascinating. It's like, this is, this is the

kind of stuff I love about Marvel is because

they can take these very simple concepts and

just change one little detail and just, here's

a whole different university. You're never going

to hear the full story for, but here's just one

little drop on the bucket. And I just, I find

that so much fun. So That's what I thought of

it. I thought this episode was absolutely fantastic.

One of the better what if episodes, in my opinion.

There you go. Hot takes for both of us. Maybe,

maybe not hot takes, but good breakdown as always.

And to everyone listening, we appreciate you

as always. Yes, we do. I'm John. That's Remy.

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