The Man in the Mask

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of Stark Industries. It just doesn't hit the

same as that Marvel logo. No, it really doesn't.

I need to flip into the pages. Yeah, flip those

pages. This guy. Yeah. Beating up civilians again.

With no power comes no responsibility. Yeah,

I love that. Oh, man, that's two episodes ago.

Yeah. Oh, no, we see it again. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Twice. And I said it last time and that we need

those side skirts back. Yeah. Cars were just

cooler then. What are we going to do, boss? Bring

him to me. Amazing that no one's actually put

two and two together besides Kat. Yeah. Like.

Y 'all look dumb. Yeah. Yeah, that's a common

trope with superhero stuff, though. It's the

Superman thing. Like he doesn't change anything.

He just takes his glasses off. That's true. He's

sleeping. It's amazing. I'm here for his energy.

Yeah, that is interesting that he's really leaning

into it and the other guys seem to be the same

that they were when we first met them. Yeah.

Well, he's eating peanuts. I wonder if he'll

throw them on the floor. That's my favorite kind

of restaurant. Yeah, at least this man's peeling

his peanuts. Yeah. That was Nick Cage sitting

right there. He'd stick him up his nose or something.

It makes some obscene. So there was sinuses to

eat it. Is eating with his mouth open, though,

that's very. Yeah. And talking. Mm hmm. My first

time having a snack. Hmm. I do like, I'm going

to call this an Easter egg, the way her dress

has the spikies coming out from the neck. It's

very much the black cat costume. Meow. You're

feeding her exactly what she needs to hear to

rebel against you, sir. Yeah, don't you threaten

me with a good time. Right. She doesn't have

a hat on this time. It's a little upsetting.

Yeah. That felt unnecessary. I need to take a

leak. I announce it loudly when I have to do

that, too. Who's she going to call? Ghostbusters.

That's right. I don't think they'd be very helpful

against a megawatt. I don't know, man. Well,

yeah, if he could absorb just absorbing right

into him, man, that's that feels like he'd be.

What if they cross the streams? I don't know.

Depends on if he's right on top of him or not.

Oh, perhaps back on. Oh. Damn. Well, what do

you think was going to happen, lady? Right? I

mean, she did promise, but still, come on. That's

right. Yep. It's a fine question. All right,

it's time to rip a cigarette. No filter. And

filter has been invented back then. I don't know.

Her thumbnail is significantly longer than her

fingernails. Like double or triple. Is to flick

the cigarette. No. Oh, there it is. Talking to

the wrong man. I love the reflection of his his

glow. That's cool. Yeah, the glow that they did

with him is very cool. Yeah. Wake up. Watch below,

make up. Yeah. Nice. Pudge. Oh, yeah, she's nice.

Oh, yeah. This guy. The kids are breaking into

that briefcase. Oh, man. Oh, oh, oh, oh, Riley.

It's Frankie kid. He's watching a movie the other

night with him in it. He's done. He was fantastic.

No, of course he's not. Watch the weapons with

him in it, man. Oh yeah. What a movie. That is

a good movie. Not relevant for this, but a good

movie nonetheless. Well, no, but Frankie is the

kid. The one left in the class. Yeah, you're

the kid. Well, all right. Is he going to do the

last button? Yeah, let's see. Let's see. Moment

of truth. Oh, he's hitting the last one. That's

it. Robbie's got it done. Nope. So it's just

a Robbie thing blowing out his bottom button.

It seems so. Are we to assume that Lonnie's mom

is still alive? I don't think she is. I didn't

think so either. We can't get fooled again. Oh,

man. All right, W. That's right. Well, you test

your butt one time. Jesus. That man is so extra.

You too, singing boy. Mm hmm. Oh, what a weird

thing to say. For real. I saved your life, fool.

Oh, yeah, that was really uncomfortable. Yeah.

Oh, man. Like, seriously, he's always beat up.

Put two and two together, gentlemen. Right. Especially

Silvermane. Nothing gets past him. I mean, something

big is getting past him. It's rainy. I need my

coat. Mm hmm. What the hell, dude? It's raining.

Unnecessary. Yeah. Like, bro, can I have a hat,

too? Yeah. No coat. No coat for you. No coat

for you. Oh, man. And why did he brush up against

this so hard? For just to see him not get it.

Yeah. He could have grabbed that. I mean, his

sticky fingers could have stuck to it. Actually,

that would have been pretty great. Good reason

for the slow -mo there. One last ride. Yeah.

Now you get your fill of this intro. This is

calm. It's a good one. It is. I really dig it.

That still doesn't look like Lonnie, that thing

that looks like the lizard. Yeah, yeah, you're

right. Future project. A little weird. You heard

it here first, folks. Season two, we get the

lizard. Oh, you're not going to hit the last

one? No. Man, killed it. We're going to leave

our listeners in Antissa. Yeah, exactly. Just

sitting there staring at her. Man, what a weird.

Nope. Being a creeper. I have his phone number.

What if he's not standing at the other end of

the phone just waiting? That's how phones worked

back in the day. All right, Cap. You and me both,

brother. Oh, callback. Mm -hmm. What? What? Wow.

He did offer to payroll. Yeah. Yeah. So we already

established $1 ,000 was Rockefeller money. That's

right. $2 ,000. Boy, howdy. That's double Rockefeller

money. Jesus. This is amazing. Who did he call?

It's got to be Robbie, right? Yeah, OK. Oh, man.

What a ride. Worst spider ever. Yeah. No one

can talk about Nick Cage. That's why he's the

only one. Right. Man. I'm curious how he's going

to get out of this one. Yeah. Unless Robbie's

stupid enough to walk into the building with

the with the spider mask on. Yeah. Yeah. That

feels really dangerous. But I don't see how else.

Mm hmm. Yes. She deserved every bit of that.

She should have very bright handprints on her

face right now. Oh. Easter egg. Right. Found

it. Nailed it. Yeah, Ogden recognized him immediately.

Y 'all don't remember your savior? Y 'all suck.

They don't have it. They didn't let me go. I

was trying to get my coat, man. No, he just recognized

him. Look at that look. Yep, yep, yep. He's sighting.

It absorbs too much. Put it together, Silverbane.

Oh, there it is. Finally. Yeah. I knew you could

do it. Uh -huh. I saved his life. I can't think

of a good lie. See? There you go. That's amazing.

Oh, that was good. Half a beer. Just random sticks

of gum in your pocket. Yeah. He's going to eat

him after he peels a hot dog. Let's figure. Yeah.

Yeah. Who do you think she is? Ogden? Yeah. Oh,

callback. It's fair. He's got your number. Robbie's

going to have to step in any minute here or.

He's going to have to reveal himself. Yeah. Right

now, Jan is trying to talk him out of it. Yeah,

Robin, you can't do this. Oh, Flint's not cool

with this. That's a way to ruin your loyalty

with somebody. Well, OK, so they haven't explained

his. Yeah, why is he not can't do it? Is it because

he's ineptitude at times remnants of the surgery

he just got? I guess that could be. No, I think

Flint's going to save the day here. OK, OK, I

could be I'd be all right with that. And then

Leighton steps in. Yeah, I could see it. Maybe

we'll see an actual Sandman move. Like, yeah,

not just a hand. I started doing that. That's

the noise you make when you take a bite of too

hot pizza. Yeah. He's getting all sandy. Is that

like him welling up? Oh, don't do it, cat. Oh,

well, he did it. He's got a gun to your face.

Mm hmm. Amen to that. Yeah, that's fair. And

also assault. There's that. Oh, we could have

seen the Sandman thing go down. It's Robbie.

Okay. All right. Oh, that was almost Hagrid.

Sorry about that. Well, at least you got that

right. Yes. Yeah, it's fair. Yeah, Robbie, you

didn't really think this through. OK, that was

actually a pretty good Nick Cage. Yeah, it was

overacting. That's all you need. Yeah. Yeah.

What are you doing, Robbie? Well, that's sealed.

He doesn't know what it is. Yeah. Oh. He's going

to put one in him. Oh. Okie dokie. Here we go,

guys. They're always out for themselves. This

is. Yeah, this is what I was looking for. Come

on, Flint. That's your salvation right there.

That's you and Kat in that little satchel. Yeah.

You're just picking that up. It's kind of what

he's been doing the entire time. His little growls.

They're killing me. It's kind of gravelly. Oh,

man. You don't have a chin. How does no one see

him? He's trying to do the website, but how does

no one notice him? He's like jerking his whole

arm and body. Why the hell can't he do it? Okay,

he's at least standing behind people. That makes

a little more sense. I thought he was still standing

next to Silverman. Yeah, but still. Doing that

motion over and over again, people are going

to turn around like, what the hell are you doing,

dude? Especially in this situation. What, are

you pulling a gun? We'll see if Silverman can

do anything, too, I wonder. I just don't get

it. Yeah, it's got to be remnants of just just

there for plot convenience. Yeah. It's like,

oh, wait, I was right. Look at that. It's funny,

that's where Ben approached. There it is. Probably

the last one we'll see. Oh, there you go, cat.

Cat. Pew, pew. Turned into sand, man. Turned

into sand, man. It's perfect. Beautiful. No notes.

Oh, man, he was harder on the guys at the bar.

Yeah. And see, his surgery was was between was

that was the most recent thing he's done since

his surgery. So why is he able to do it all drunk

and after a surgery if he's not doing it now?

Yeah, I don't know. Lame. None of it makes sense.

I like that. Oh, here we go. Glad he took the

time to change real quick, even though he outed

himself. I know. But now he's out in the street.

He's probably a good thing that he changed. Yeah.

Yeah. Probably didn't do the whole outfit. Yeah.

You know, he did. That woman was trying to hit

him. I know. Yeah. What is she doing? He was

there the whole time. I don't buy it for a second

that that was unintentional. There's some web

slinging for you. There we go. And it's over.

Look at all that neon light he's going to use.

See, if I was a bad guy and I just saw that,

I would just yell his name real loud right there

in the middle of the street. Right. It's Ben

Reilly. Hey, you guys, you might beat me up,

but that's Ben Reilly. I just saw him. You don't

get to live here anymore. Everyone knows your

secret. No. Nick, stop. Come on, make it something

else. Make it a hammer. Make it something...

Nope, just a sandy fist. And a regular -sized

one, too. Yeah. Give me more sand powers, man.

Oh, no. He's going to have just enough to get

those two and not enough for himself. That's

how it's going to end. Or Dirk is going to die

in this fight. And Flint will get it. Because

he's got a future. Oh, my back. I feel that.

He's turtling again. A little twitchy. OK. All

right. Smash him. Do it. Do it. Physics doesn't

work like that. Oh. Oh, he just he just full

sand. He's he is not the man, just the sand.

Yeah. Mega watts out of juice. Good thing we

got all those neon lights around him. Really

couldn't have picked a better battlefield for

him. This is cool. Yeah. And my nose. God. She's

like, yeah, that's why I found a dentist. My

smile is immaculate. How many mirrors are there?

Can we stop the mirror blasting thing? Just one

more. Missed one. Oh, somehow she got them all

and didn't realize where he was until just now.

Yeah, and now she's out of bullets. Watch. Click.

Click. Oh. Oh, it did not click. That's one of

those things where that gun does not have that

many bullets. Bad news. Writers of the show.

Oh, well. Oh, he's juicing up. He's on that song.

I have regrets. Oh, yeah. There's some sand stuff.

Hell, yeah. A real Sandman. Can the real Sandman

please stand up? Please stand up. Please stand

up. Don't be touching metal, Ben. I know, yeah.

I remember my first time dealing with electricity.

What happens to a spider when it's struck by

lightning? Same thing that happens to everything

else. Oh. Oh, no. Oh. Oh. It looks like a Toby.

The end of the first Spider -Man. Yeah. What

was that dude doing off to the right there? Having

a little dance. He was offering a flower. All

right, Ben, you're in a bad spot. Yep. Yep. Oh,

is this what I've been waiting for? Come on.

Give me that showdown. Somebody boo this guy.

Somebody boo this man. I have the infinity gun.

Oh, see, maybe now she's out. You didn't check

all that time. I know. Between shooting Silvermane.

Oh, that's where he messed up. Yeah. All right.

He doesn't care if he kills Ben, but now he's

messed up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. This

man's voice is. I'm ready for for Flint to put

him out. Oh, that's what he said. Yeah. Yeah.

Versus Sandman. The Sand Monster. Oh. Oh. Oh,

yes. Oh, there it is. Yeah. Oh, that's not great.

Oh dear. Send that electricity through my back.

Yes. Oh, man alive. Oh, my goodness. I was not

ready for that. I was not expecting that at all.

No. That was good. Throws him in front of a train.

Wow. Oof. Ain't not looking so hot. One dose

left. Here it comes. Watch. Mm -hmm. Hope you

can grow an arm back. Yep. One left. All the

tropes. Check them. Mm -hmm. And she turns around

and sticks Ben with it. I'm doing the right thing.

No, I'm doing the right thing. No, you. No, you

hang up. Uh -huh. I mean, how does that work

now? Because he's Sandman, but he's also very

damaged. Is he going to come back without an

arm? That's what I'm curious about. If we see

him again, I hope he has like scars where that.

Yeah, something. Yeah, that'd be kind of kind

of neat. If he comes back all clean and. Fancy.

I'm going to be a little upset, actually. Big

attendance. Yeah. Big turnout. Popular guy. Oh,

see? Come. Come on, man. He was all glassed up.

Yeah. Looks like he's got an arm back, too. Yeah,

he's fine. Everything's fine. Powerful stuff,

dude. Yeah, that antidote is his liver. Ben's

liver is on another level. Especially with all

that drinking he does. Yeah, no kidding. No,

no, no, I don't. Keeping it warm for you. All

right. Slow walk down the hallway. That's right.

At least it's not the Ministry of Silly Walks

version again. Yes. Better hallway walk. Ah.

Oh. Morris Wayne? Yeah, looks like it. Wow. Oh.

Okay. Geometrical. I like it. Back to the salt

mines. Nope. God damn it. I knew it was coming.

I knew it was coming. That upsets me. I have

to see him eat one more hot dog. I'm out. I'm

not watching season two. You'll have to do it

solo. I want that hot dog. Alright, so he's got

a newspaper. He opened his own newspaper. Oh,

look at that. Riley and Ruiz. She deserves it.

The web's magically gone immediately? No, naturally.

Like we said, he can determine. Has to be. You

don't have to zoom in. We saw it on the door.

Just in case you didn't. Season slash question

mark series finale? Yeah. We'll see. See you

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Snark Industries podcast. I'm John. And I'm Remy.

And we invite you to join us as we work our way

through every Marvel TV show, movie, and crossover.

Meaning if there's a Marvel character on screen,

it's fair game. All categorized in the temporal

order of their setting. By the time we're done,

we'll have built a complete start -to -finish

timeline of the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe.

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and enjoy this episode of Snark Industries. Hello,

ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Snark

Industries Deep Dive. We just watched the finale,

season one finale, of Spider Noir. called The

Man in the Mask. John, why don't you go ahead

and tell us what that was about? All right. So

we've got the climax of the season one, perhaps

series, depending on how they proceed with this.

And a lot of these sort of threads that have

been coming together throughout the entire previous

seven episodes all kind of culminate at the same

time. And we've got ultimately Silvermane, who

is first, I suppose, to get to talk to Ben. By

sending his goons after him, he kind of has this

conversation with Kat kind of about taking what's

yours and not letting, you know, the world give

you what it's going to give you and not realizing

still that, you know, what she wants in the world

is to be rid of him and save Flint and go do

that. But it's kind of an ironic conversation

that we as the viewers get to enjoy from that

perspective. The goons show up. It's Flint and

Megawatt at Ben's place. Or it's at Robbie's

place where he's still resting. Excuse me. Yeah,

yeah. And go to get him out. Robbie sneaks the

vials of the antidote into Ben's jacket. And

we have this very weird slow motion scene where

he reaches out to grab the jacket, but Megawatt

grabs it and says, no, we'll keep you warm and

pushes about the door. And totally could have.

Not letting him. Never mind the fact that it's

raining out. Yeah. Yeah. Not letting him get

his jacket for some reason. And so Ben kind of

shows up at Silvermane's place, who's wanting

to use him to get to the spider to talk to him

about what happened in the previous episode with

the, you know, the antidote and the taking of

Lonnie's powers and everything else and what

all this is happening. Basically says, you know,

hey. took one of my chips off the table with

this big thing that's going on with the mayor

race and everything else. And so Ben, in typical

Ben fashion, sort of enters this negotiation

with Silvermane, really mouthing off a lot about

it, as he's been doing through the entire series.

And ultimately, they settle on a $2 ,000 payment

to get the spider delivered to Silvermane for

a discussion. And so Ben grabs the phone and

makes a call. He knows, but they don't know that

it's Robbie on the other side who's doing his

best Nick Cage impersonation. Really? Not a great

one. Not a great one. It's his best one. Didn't

say it was a good one. But does try to convince

him. Ultimately says, hey, you come here, you

bring these antidotes and, you know, we'll kind

of go from there. Ben says, all right, give me

my money. I'm ready to leave. And of course,

that wasn't the deal. Once the spider gets here,

then we'll get you your money. Then you go. So

Ben gets up and makes himself a drink, talks

about how he's going to use that money to retire

to somewhere in France. And this sort of jogs

Megawatt's memory of him, who finally recognizes

him as the man who saved his life, which I find

that hard to believe that would be a face you'd

forget. But apparently he did. And, you know,

oh, I remember you. He's not the nicest guy in

the world. And Silvermane kind of finally, as

a crime lord, I feel like should, puts two and

two together and says, wait a minute, you were

in the same POW camp as these guys? I've never

seen you and the spider in the same room. You

must be Spider -Man. And, you know, and everything

else. And Ben tries to convince him that he's

not, but he feels like he has him dead to rights.

And ultimately Silverman says, hey, I don't like

to leave things to chance. So let's see. The

spider is renowned for not letting innocents

suffer unless they are drunk people at a bar,

in which case he's cool with it then. So Silverman.

Takes a gun from Kat, who's hidden on her purse.

A very funny line. It says, give me your gun.

She says, what gun? The one you don't think anyone

knows about. I thought that was very funny. So

she reaches kind of under her dress and pulls

out this pistol and hands to him. And he points

it at her and says, I'm going to kill her unless

you stop me kind of thing. And we see Flint kind

of like rearing up, ready to stop this from happening,

because we know that he's very much in love with

Kat and doesn't want this to happen. Ben's like,

I don't care. Just kind of do it kind of thing

as he's sitting there trying to get his web shooters

to work under the table. But they're not for

reasons that are not explained whatsoever anywhere

in this episode. We've had some speculatory why,

but it's just speculation. They don't ever address

it, but they're not working for some reason.

And Kat kind of takes over the thing, especially

I feel like a comeuppance a little bit in her

own right from the conversation she had previously

about taking what you want, not taking what the

world gives you and comes clean about everything.

Uh, not about him being the spider per se, but

Hey, he doesn't, he doesn't want, he doesn't

want to save me because I broke his heart. I

did it because I'm in love with Flint. I'm in

love with Flint and I want to kill you. You're

a pain in my ass. You know, that's, that's basically

like, you know, she lays it all out there and

just as he's about to blow her away for this.

And, you know, and I, and I'm sitting there watching,

I'm like, Oh, Flint's going to save the day.

And which would have made a lot of sense. The

spider walks in the room. But wait, I thought

Ben was already sitting there. Well, it turns

out that Robbie thought it was a million dollar

idea to put the suit on and go in as the spider

and arrive just in the nick of time. So they

have a conversation about it. Then two more goons

walk in and have Janet kind of in their arms

because she was also just randomly skulking around

downstairs. And she is the one who had the antidotes

on her person for reasons that aren't super clear.

And Ben even makes it a point to be like, yeah,

this plan is much better, you know, to realize

just how silly of a plan this was from start

to finish. But Megawatt walks up, he grabs the

antidotes. Looks at him, reaches in, grabs one,

turns around and stabs Spider right in the neck

with one to take away his powers. Not realizing,

of course, that this is just Robbie in a suit.

And luckily for Robbie, I guess this antidote

does nothing to otherwise healthy individuals.

Yeah, thank goodness. Yeah. Meanwhile, Ben's

standing in the background, still trying to get

his web shooters to work. And they're still not,

for some reason, still not explained. But he's

back there. His arms are just jerking all crazy.

No one in the room seems to notice it because

it is escalating in its own right. And Megawatt

sort of. Coming into his own is this villain

who's, you know, I have power. Why should I listen

to you, old man? Which he's, you know, hinted

at a little bit before really coming into it.

And he says, hey, you know, looks at Silverman

and says, hey, you don't want these for any other

reason than to control us. I'm not going to give

them to you. And, you know, Flint's kind of on

the fence and, you know, Silverman's like, you

know, take care of him for me. Why don't you?

You know, I know I would never hurt. You know

that, but even though he was totally just about

to blow her away, and I am in no way convinced

whatsoever that if all this had went a different

way, he would have killed her later, now that

he knew that she was the rat that tried to kill

him to start with. Oh, 100%. Absolutely. Obviously,

he's got a little bit of conflict, but luckily,

just in the nick of time, as all this stuff is

kind of coming to fruition, the web shooters

start working. And so Ben is able to start webbing

up the area, Silvermane. takes this opportunity

to GTFO, so to speak, and starts just going.

And ultimately, as this shootout kind of happens

between the super individuals, as well as some

of other Silvermane's goons, Cat, with her little

pistol that no one knows about, gives chase to

Silvermane down the hallway. This sort of big

fight kind of comes ensues, and all the other

kind of people kind of get pushed to the side.

And ultimately, we have this big showdown between

Spider and Sandman and... who at this point,

as the show comes to a close, finally are using

their super names as just a little bit of homage

right at the end. They've only been using their

actual Flint and everything else and Lonnie,

but they're actually using their real names here.

Or not their real names, excuse me, their super

names here at the end. So they're out in the

middle of the street kind of doing battle there

as Cat is chasing Silverman through the hallways

of this place. And ultimately... Another one

of these vials is broken out here. One of them

was wasted on Robbie. One of them was wasted

and broke on Lonnie and then finally did work

on Lonnie. So all of this is kind of happening.

The battle is not going well for Ben outside

as he's kind of on the ground, beaten and bloodied.

And we have this really a pretty cool scene where

Silvermane confronts Kat or vice versa, depending

on which way you want to look at it in this sort

of mirror maze area, which is. Not really clear

why it's even there, but it is. And it makes

for a pretty cool scene. And then she starts,

you know, kind of blowing away mirror images

of him as he's kind of saying like, hey, no,

you, you know, you like this life. You like to

be controlled and be told what to do and be taken

care of and da da da da da and whatever. And

eventually, as all the mirrors break, she turns

and. He's pointing the gun at him as he's standing

right behind her. And his cane that he's been

using throughout this entire series has actually

got a little sword in it. And he pulls it out

and goes to stab her. And she fires and shoots

him right in the chest. And he dies there in

the middle of the room and says, as his last

breath, I'm glad it was you. And seemingly the

end of the crime lord Silvermane. And then they

cut back out to the street as this fight's happening.

And, you know, ultimately. Ben smashes Sandman

between two cars and he kind of goes into a pile

of powder and we see kind of Megawatt running

out of juice. But then he looks around and says,

hey, we're in New York City. There's electricity

everywhere and absorbs a bunch of shocking. Yeah,

right. And begins, you know, frying Ben from

that and is really a hair's breadth away from

killing him. And Kat shows up with this gun,

points it at Megawatt, pulls the trigger, and

it clicks because somehow between her fight with

Silverman and going out in the street, she didn't

figure to check the magazine to see if there

was any bullets remaining inside. Yeah. Oopsie.

Yeah, oopsie poopsie. And so Megawatt turns to

her and gives her the shock of her life as he

electrocutes her. And as this is happening, Flint

is sort of putting himself back together from

being smashed between two cars. And he sees this.

And of course, that's his boo. And you don't

no one shocks his boo, but him. You know what

I mean? And so we see this, you know, was something

that you really were hoping for. This big climactic

fight between Sandman and Megawatt, which is

not climactic or big at all, because Megawatt

immediately just turns him into glass with his

electricity and everything else. And just as

he's about to smash him into Italian, a million

little tiny pieces of glass versus sand, which

I don't know if he could put himself back together.

That'd be glass, man. Now, maybe they don't really

talk about it. Yeah, I do, too. But we see Ben

wakes back up from his almost death, puts a couple

of webs into megawatts back, who starts electrocuting

him. And I was like thinking to myself, man,

how is he going to get out of this one? In the

most unexpected move, I think maybe in all of

my time watching superhero things, Ben slings

the webs around and puts them in front of a moving

train and he just splats and goes everywhere.

Explodes electricity. Yeah, electricity and red

mist everywhere as this train kind of comes by

and everything. And then the dust kind of settles.

Flint is on the ground. He's mostly glass. He's

obviously... you know, on his last leg, so to

speak. And Ben steps up and says, I've got one

vial left and hands it to Kat to give to Flint.

And she says, you know, something to the effect

of, you know, why? And he's like, you know why?

And then goes wandering off. That was an excellent

Nick Cage, by the way. I thought that you would

think so. So all of this kind of happens. They

cut to another scene and you've got. A funeral

for Silvermane, who was being attended by Flint

and Cat only. And Ben is kind of standing off

in the background and she comes up to him and,

you know, kind of says, you know, I'm sorry if

it was, you know, other situations. I might have

actually loved you. And he was basically told

her to go, you know, herself. Yeah. And which

she will, which she will. And yeah. She goes

back and we see Flint, who clearly has taken

this antidote and looks to be perfectly fine

from his battle. Yeah, even got an arm back.

Yeah, even got his arm back, which was nice.

Old Connor's there. Yeah, that's right. Ultimately,

the season and perhaps the series kind of ends

as Ben is back in his office. Looks like he's

getting some upgrades, some new furniture. He

has put Ruiz on the front of the door in addition

to his name. So Janet gets a piece of the business

here. Robbie talk about how he started his own

paper and everything else. And, you know, it

turns to Ben and says, you know, we got all these

things. What did you get? And he goes, I want

a hot dog, which is just the most upsetting thing

I think he could have said in that situation.

And the show, the episode and the season ends.

As he closes the door, all leaving to go get

his hot dog. Yeah. Which, fortunately, we do

not have to see him eat. We don't have to watch

him peel and eat another hot dog like a banana,

which is really a blessing. Or use as a telephone.

In disguise. Or use as a telephone. Right. But

that is how the season, and as we've talked about

a couple of times, perhaps the series, depending

on renewal, which has not been happened yet at

the time of this recording, goes. So. Let's talk

about this episode and ultimately this season,

this series as a whole here. Tie -ins to the

MCU, once again, there aren't any. It's a standalone

universe in the Sony -verse. Familiar names,

familiar faces. Nothing new happened here in

this one in terms of any of that. All the same

as any of the previous episodes. How about any

Easter eggs, comic book tie -ins, things of that

nature did you catch? There were a small handful

in this one. Silvermane dying was actually kind

of a... Surprise, because he is he's almost got

a Voldemort thing where he's he's refusal to

accept death. He's always trying to find a way

to live longer in the comics. He's got cybernetic

enhancements. He's got all kinds of stuff going

on. So him dying kind of surprising. I expected

him to be a longer lasting villain. But, you

know, you get Brendan Gleeson for a season. You

thank your lucky stars for that. And then you

move on with your life. Very true. But as mentioned

last time when he was talking about getting rid

of the spider powers, there's we spoke about

the Spider -Man No More series where Peter hangs

up the costume and then series of events leads

him to come back. Very similar trope. You're

wanting to leave the life. You're wanting to

leave the life and you pick it back up. So this

entire season has been kind of an extended version

of that, which is kind of cool. I wanted to call

out the way the mask was torn. By Flint in that

final battle, because that was almost exactly

how Tobey Maguire looked at the end of Spider

-Man 1, the Sam Raimi films, which was a really

fun little callback. And interestingly enough,

the Hall of Mirrors scene that you were talking

about, the confrontation between Silverman and

Cat, that was an homage to Orson Welles' Lady

from Shanghai in 1947. It was actually confirmed

by Nick Cage in an interview that that was the

case. So kind of fun. That is interesting. Still

bizarre that there was just a little house of

mirrors in this area. I don't know if he had

that set up because he definitely went straight

to it. Just if ever I'm in trouble, I'm going

to go confuse people. The mirror area. That'll

show. And finally, love that Robbie got to run

a newspaper. It's not the Bugle, which he does

in the comics for a number of years, run the

Bugle, which is cool to see him kind of step

into that full editorial persona. that, that

he lives in, in the comics. But finally, not

sure if this is an Easter egg or if it's anything

really, but I did appreciate that Spider -Man,

you know, eight episodes, we've got a little

bit of symmetry there. So that's kind of fun.

We're going to say it's intentional, even if

it's not, they totally did eight on purpose.

That's not the industry standard. Right. Yeah.

A little thread, little, again, could be a stretch,

but you know, I'm, I'm grabbing at anything I

see. But yeah, all in all, what'd you think,

John? I will say before we get into that one

extra Easter egg, we did call out in the watch

party too. And I'll mention again here is as

he was talking to Kat or, you know, Ben was talking

to Kat. And she said something to him at the

bar. He looks at her and kind of does his hand

and like this claw motion and gives her the cat

thing, which was, I think, very on the nose.

Him kind of doing the cat vibes for the black

cat. Actually, one thing before you dive in,

one thing he did say in the bar is no. I don't

think I will, which is very much a Marvel line.

Yes, yes, yes. The Captain America line. Yeah.

So a couple of little fun lines there is in there.

So yeah, Easter eggs are always fun. You can

always find, you know, the crazy thing about

them too. And I'm sure we'll get a lot of, a

lot of responses to Easter eggs and the discord

and things like that from other people that watch

is usually when I watch something, I see a new

Easter egg on the second, third and fourth time.

You know, especially with this show, specifically

at the time of recording, this is brand new.

It just it just came out. So this is the first

time that either of us has watched them. So I'm

sure if we sat down and watched them again, we'll

catch more. But yeah, definitely. That's what

we see now. But in terms of did we like it, you

know, and everything like that. For me personally,

I found this finale to be kind of meh. It wasn't

bad. They definitely did a good job of tying

up the. Tying up the threads and everything else.

And ultimately, if this doesn't get renewed for

a second season, everything's buttoned up. They're

not leaving anything open. You know, Silvermane's

dead. All of the powered villains are all no

longer either by taking the antidote or becoming

a splatter on the front of a train. So they're

all taken care of and everything else. Everyone,

you know, is kind of like I said, where they.

Should be if this doesn't go any further. But

of course, Ben still has his powers. The, you

know, the detective agency is still open. So

there's always room for more stories if it does

get renewed. And, you know, it's tough to say

how that's going to go. But I know that I looked

in terms of audience scores and stuff like that

for this series. It's actually received pretty

well overall. Yeah. And I know we really liked

the ride as well. Like I said, I feel like the

ending could have been stuck a little better.

I just I think that ultimately for me. The way

that things ended for everyone ended in ways

that made sense, but they were anticlimactic

in their own right. It's hard for me to buy,

and you mentioned it a little bit in the comic

tie -in and Easter egg section. It's hard for

me to buy that Silvermane just had zero contingency

whatsoever for what was happening. You know,

or this idea that he obviously had her in a bad

position in that mirror area where she didn't

know where he was. And he literally just stood

there and waited for her to blow away every mirror

and all of his cover before he tried to stay.

I was a little silly. You know, I mean, it just

doesn't make sense to me. I mean, you know, like

you said, this feels like he could have been

a multiple season big bad, you know, for the

series kind of thing. And for him to just die

in such a lackluster way. uh it just didn't feel

right you know yeah so i i just didn't particularly

love that for him um and then you know we did

get the fight scene that you were looking for

between flint and megawatt that just wasn't very

cool it just was so one -sided uh yeah you know

the whole thing last maybe 20 seconds you know

like it just was over as soon as it began uh

which was kind of lame you know and then he was

so much he was glass and you know very damaged

and like you said he takes the antidote and suddenly

he's perfectly fine. It just seemed like it,

it almost felt like to me, like they could have

used another episode or two to give everybody

appropriate amount of sendoff. I don't hate where

everyone ended up. Have you ever seen a nine

legged spider? Yeah, that's why they didn't do

it. But you know, like, you know, I think everyone

had an end that is appropriate for their character

arcs, you know, Flint and cat ended up together.

That's great. Lonnie got to go off with his.

you know mom question mark or mom's memory question

mark up to niagara falls megawatt who was the

obviously i mean i think probably the worst villain

here in terms of how he was approaching things

in terms of what he was doing got his just desserts

and everything and so you know and i said i i

didn't like the way that silvermane ended up

being but like you said i mean you've got such

a big name actor You know, you don't you can't

plan for having him forever. And so, you know,

maybe putting putting a bow on that wasn't the

worst move, but I just didn't like how it happened

more so than anything else, I think. You know,

and then just little stuff like, you know, Kat

not checking the gun before she walked outside

to try to shoot somebody else. And that's just

I don't know. You know, I guess I guess you could

say that maybe she's not. The type that I mean,

but she carries that gun with her all the time,

apparently, and thinks nobody knows about it.

We've seen it that she would know to check at

least four episodes. Yeah, right. Just be like,

is there any bullets? No. OK, well, let me fix

that real fast. But yeah, I said, I mean, I liked

it well enough. I enjoyed the ride more than

I enjoyed the landing for sure. But overall,

still a good show, a show that I would recommend

to watch for anybody. And obviously, if you're

listening, you probably already have. And if

you haven't, please go do so. And don't take

my word for it just because I didn't like this

particular ending. That doesn't mean you won't.

It just felt weird to me for these characters

specifically. But overall, like I said, kind

of meh, just kind of mid, you know, not bad,

but certainly not the the climax that I was expecting

from all the buildup that we got. Yeah. Yeah.

So how about you? Yeah. And I would I would agree

with with a lot of that as a series. I am very

impressed. I went into this. Not sure I'd love

Nick Cage as Spider -Man, and I still don't.

But he he did what I mean, he pulled the show

along and he did a good job with it. I mean,

hurts me to say, but he was interesting enough

as a leading man to to keep us engaged. And it

was fun. I'm with you as far as the final episode.

It was not a perfect landing. I think they could

have gone a lot of different directions. There

were some. Especially with the way Silvermane

died, I don't think that didn't feel right at

all. I completely agree. The way it happened

was very, very rudimentary. I don't know. It's

a strange approach. But like you were saying

also, it all felt it wrapped up too cleanly.

It felt like there was too nice of a bow put

on things. I mean, the battle between Megawatt

and Sandman could have been really, really cool.

I mean, to visually see how how outmatched Flint

really was, but I didn't expect it to be that

bad. I wanted to see an actual superhero showdown.

But then again, we don't know the budget. We

don't know where they were sitting with with

what they wanted to show and how, you know, it

wasn't a big explosive show. I'll spend all their

money on the electricity effects. They couldn't

do sand effects, too. You're asking too much

of them. I know. I know. That's my problem here.

Uh, but I, I did, I do appreciate that, that

Lonnie came back to his, his, uh, his senses.

Flint came back to more or less the good guy

ish. Not that he was ever a good guy to begin

with, but you know, you, you respectable character.

Uh, and I, I appreciate that they brought him

back. The splatter on the train man alive that

surprised the hell out of me. I didn't see that

coming at all, but yeah. All in all, I had fun

with the series. Was the landing perfect? No,

but it was good enough to keep me wanting more.

So I really do hope for a second season and I'm

excited to keep rolling on with the rest of the

series, too. I mean, it's a it's a good installment

in the Marvel movie catalog. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, I agree. TV show catalog. The mediocre

is sticking of the landing, as you said, too,

for me. is still overall a positive, a net positive

on the show, and I absolutely would watch a second

season. 100%. If they end up doing another one.

People, execs at Amazon, if you're listening,

we're greenlighting this. Sony, come on. Yes,

give us more. Yeah, yeah. You heard it here first.

We at Snark Industries support a second season

of Spider Noir, preferably with less hot dogs

and body horror. Yeah, less Nick Cage eating,

maybe. Just less of him eating, period. Yeah,

there we go. All right. Our wish list is out

there. It's been put to the universe. We are

manifesting. We are manifesting. That's right.

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