1872?

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of Stark Industries. Ooh, old -timey Marvel.

I like that. I actually have not seen this episode

yet. Nor have I. I think I stopped the episode

just before. Just shooting the bell. Yeah. The

Wild West. Where's Will Smith? Slapping someone,

probably. It's high noon. Ten rings, huh? I'm

bringing that back already. I was going to say,

we've seen this before. Mm -hmm. Draw! Everything

in the Old West is so epic. Yeah, right? You

rang. It's Shang -Chi. Yeah. Kate? She would

be a gunslinger in the Old West. I was about

to say, yeah. What else would you do with perfect

aim? Oh, damn, that dude's chest compressed a

lot. Well, everyone's dead already. By the time

the hat hits the ground or who's going to catch

it, it's going to land on his head. Oh, that

could be, too. Yeah. Yeah. Place your bets now,

folks. He'll catch it on the other side of the

room. Oh, they're not. They're not killing. They're

disarming everyone. Because that's what heroes

do. I mean. I don't know, man. That's a lot of

bullets to be flying around for. There it is.

Caught it. There it is. Look, dude, if if I just

witnessed that and I'm still on the ground, conscious

and alive, I am playing dead. Hood with a capital

H. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Is this before or after they

cast that guy? Oh, Hamilton, dude. God, what

is his name? Hamilton, dude. The music's very

different this time, too. Oh, yeah. Oh, operatic.

Wait, who the hell is Jason Isaacs playing? I

love that guy. Shouldn't you know? I suppose,

but he's not. I mean, to my knowledge, he's never

been an MCU character. So he must be somebody

random, somebody new or filling in for somebody.

I don't want to want to. I don't want to know

what if. Sure you do, buddy. I do like Westerns,

though, so this is this might be the tie in that

I need. It is wild how much we vary in our tastes.

Well, you know, together we're like a whole person.

It's a whole person. Ah, Thor frog. Yeah. Frog

Thor. What was his official name? I forget. Frog.

I feel like he wouldn't have been satisfied with

that. He's a performer at heart, truly. Zhou

Zhai Ling. The 1860s is not a great time to come

to America, to be fair. No. No, it is not. Special

with fools like that around. Well, good for her.

Oh, didn't work out. Oh, so she's the hood now.

Wow. Spoilers. Well, again, I have not seen this

episode. I'm just, you know. It's like catching

the hat on the other side of the room. I like

the vibe. I'm feeling it. Shoot the bell. I need

more of that. They need to work on getting that

city fixed up a little bit. A little bit of disrepair.

That might be. Oh, I can't remember the actress's

name. All of a sudden, Haley something. No, that's

Carter. I can't remember. Well, I'm glad we got

to the bottom of this mystery. Yep. But I think

that's the actress that plays Kate Bishop. That's

what I'm saying. Well, it literally is. She's

playing Kate Bishop right now. Whoever it is.

Well, hey, Anthony Hopkins was not Odin in the

last one. Anybody who plays Kate Bishop is the

actress that plays Kate Bishop. You know what?

Kate Bishop -ception. That's cool. The red hood.

I like the way they've made his face look all

swirly. Yeah. A deal's a deal. Who else's eyes

would you have seen it with, kid? I've seen it

with somebody else's eyes. Well, you're like

four. Go home. Home is behind him, dude. I don't

know that he has a home. Listen, just because

it needs to be fixed up a little bit doesn't

mean it doesn't exist. No, just, you know, by

himself. Hey, I'd be king for a day, you know.

I want to see Kate with like a repeater rifle.

Drunken wasp sting. Oh, yeah. Wasp. You can't

have a Western without the horse bucking back

into the sun. Rear and back. Yeah. Yeah. Red

Dead Redemption arc. God, I hated those games.

Oh. So terrible take. Terrible. Yeah. I'm sorry.

Once again. Not a fan of spaghetti Westerns.

You're not. Spoiler. That looks just like nothing.

Oh, they're in time. They're going to see a ghost

train. It's going to be a writer on top of it.

We're going to get a sudden ghostwriter crossover.

I'll throw up if that happens. The punishment

fits the crime. That would only be great if it

were Nick Cage as the voice. I feel like a ghost

train wouldn't be that predictable. Just throwing

it out there. You also was so far up there. There's

no way in hell you're catching that thing. Right.

I wonder how we got that forearm strength. Let's

calm down. Yeah. Yeah. Shane. See, it's not a

ghost train. Phrasing. Yeah, it's a tech train.

They can fly. Yeah. I sincerely hope those. OK,

good. I'm glad they showed those horses breaking

off. Oh, man, I'm hyped up. Them Duke boys. Well,

where's Daisy? Get her on here. Oh, Natasha Romanoff

is Daisy Duke. I'm going to need a little banjo

to play before that. Is that arc reactor? Yeah.

Oh, we got Stark. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. He's always

doing stuff. Oh, hammer steel. Did I not say

that she needs a repeater rifle? Give it to her.

No, that's not creepy. That man is some kind

of devilry. I love how he's doing a bit of a

drawl. Yeah, yeah. We need to have a word. Chinese

drawl. It's so good. Yeah, I'm here for it. Fists

of Fury. He's got the accent down, right? Mm

hmm. Trust me, I'm an expert. It seems like it.

Mm hmm. Conscripted. Well, I'm convinced. Yeah.

Break out the bangles. I like that line. I mean,

I'm not a bad guy. Shut up. Oh, man. The drunken

wasping is punching him in the nards. That would

sting. That man sounds like Colonel Sanders.

Don't mess with the colonel's recipe. That's

my secret, Colonel. Do we all sound the same

to you, Remy? Is that what you're trying to get

at? No, this man sounds like Colonel Sanders

is what I'm saying. Oh, man. Killed a kid. Oh,

come on, Colonel Sanders. Full evil. Yeah, man.

That's like one of the things. That's one of

the understandings. Jolly and leave the kids

alone. Damn. I want to back. There's an impress

with them trying to kill a kid. As am I. Right?

I'm sorry, if I'm a bad guy in that situation,

the kid's just getting yeeted. I'm not going

to stare him down for five minutes. Oh, Uatu

intervened. Oh. That's against the rules, Uatu.

That's not a watcher, does. It's called a watcher,

not a pusher. Uatu, the pusher. Yeah, it just

doesn't have the same ring to it. No, it really

doesn't. No, they made it to this area. Someone's

got to go out there every night and light all

those lanterns. I actually really enjoyed the

Hawkeye show with Kate Bishop. Yeah. We'll get

there. Yeah. Looking forward to it. One of these

years. Yeah. A few hundred episodes. Oh, I like

that voice. Uh, no. Sister. You have a twin sister.

Yeah, this is emperor vibes here. Oh. Wow. Oh,

he broke one of his little lanterns. Oh, Satan,

now look. Snow's catching on fire. What kind

of world are we living in? Listen, they just

drove on a train that flew over a chasm. I don't

know if we need to start arguing with the physics

of this episode. Fair enough. I'm just a guy

with a bow and arrow. None of this makes sense.

I know that voice. We're going to figure this

out for later, who that is. Colonel Sanders.

It's not. First of all, he's dead and more worried

about fried chicken. Isn't isn't Colonel Sanders

kind of like Lassie? I don't think he is. Just

replace him. I don't think he is. Oh, man. You

got a little tune in your pocket watch? It would

be really hard to do martial arts in jeans and

cowboy boots. Right. He's definitely blown out

two or three seams of those things. Yeah. So

does he have to come become visible to hit him

or is that just for effect? Either that or he's

just being extra, which is the bad guy MO to

be fair. That's true. You know who it sounds

like? It sounds like Walter Goggins. Oh, it does.

It does. That might be him. That's a good call.

I like how the snow is just disappearing. Is

that Walter or Walter? Am I dumb? Walton. Walton.

Walton. Yeah. Sorry, Walton. I said your name

wrong. I know you're listening. Ah, see? See?

Who called it? Well, I said spoilers a long time

ago, and now everyone's mad at me. As is their

right. No, a prediction is not a spoiler. Damn.

Oh, she about to break out of it and break your

neck, sir. Yeah, I'm convinced. Seems it. Well,

this ain't you. Oh, dude, you nailed it. That

is Walton Conaghy's. See? Yeah. That's actually

low -key kind of awesome. That's pretty rad.

Yeah. Oh, man. Because that's what heroes do.

Mm hmm. Oh, ten rings coming right up. Yeah.

3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Well, apparently it

wakes everybody up. 12, 13. Yeah, no, this is

something different. They don't need to summon

Shang -Chi. He's already there. Yeah, but I mean,

come on. That'd be a solid way to wake him up

and snap him out of it. Oh. I love the bad guy

thing where they all just stand there and get

killed. I know. Everyone's waiting their turn

to fight. Yeah. Every one of those guys was standing

there with guns trained on her that entire time.

And somehow she snapped out of her hypnosis,

grabbed her guns and killed all of them before

they fired a single shot. They were just that

surprised. Yeah. Yeah. I like the detail on that

gun. That's cool. That's her mama's goons. Pistol

whip. God, that hurt. I don't know that I've

ever felt a hit in a cartoon. The power of love.

It's over here growling. We'll see this as a

common theme as we go through these shows and

movies. Yeah. Luckily, that fire they started

a few minutes ago didn't do anything. Just background,

man. Yeah. Look at those dancing flames. Oh.

She's fine now. The hood fell off. Is he going

to put the hood on and get revenge? Nah, he wouldn't.

See, she's fine now. The hood corrupts. Mm hmm.

Oh. Moment of silence. OK, it's over. Yep. I

didn't take one second to look at her face and

see that that was, you know. Her. How would she

have known still? Well, you knew 30 minutes ago.

Well, yeah, that's because that's how stories

go. Look at that. Look at that hood. Just find

some other victim. Yeah. It's going to go find

Matthew McConaughey. All right. All right. All

right. Iron Fists. That's Little Danny. I don't

think so. No, I don't either. Uh oh. Oh. Easter

egg. I understood that reference. Man, we're

so cool. Oh, into the sunset. Yes. Looks like

they're trying to hold hands. They are. It's

cute. That's Jason Isaacs. Oh, now he's in trouble

for being the pusher. Oh, shards of whatever

that is have gone into the ether. See, those

are the shards that Harry Potter picks up in

the movie that they never explain. Yes. Tie in.

All right, folks, we will see you over in the

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see you in the next adventure. Well, well, well.

Hello and welcome fellow Marvel fans to the Snark

Industries podcast. I'm John. And I'm Remy. And

we invite you to join us as we work our way through

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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the

deep dive. We just watched What If? 1872, Season

3, Episode 6. John, you want to give us that

rundown? Absolutely. And I'm going to preface

this by saying I'm excited about this one. I

didn't know we were in for a Western, and we

got a Western, which is one of my favorite genres,

actually, of all time. So, just going to dive

right into it. This is set in 1872, following

our chronological timeline of when all of these

things were to have taken place. We've got Uatu

sort of explaining this. What if sort of scenario,

you know, across the board is showing different

things. And we get this introduction here as

some cowboys are shooting a bell exactly 10 times

to get 10 rings. Shang -Chi shows up. We have

a cool fight scene there. Introduced to sort

of this setup of racial discrimination in America

in the 1860s, which was a... Really a prime time

for that and everything. And so we, you know,

we get the villain set up as being the hood and

Shang -Chi and Kate Bishop are looking for him.

And after this scene, we get some information.

John Walker's here, too, who gives them a little

bit of info in terms of a town that they can

go and try to find the hood who ultimately they

feel like has. And the reason Shang -Chi is here

to start with has taken his sister. Zha Ling.

And they get to this town and it's in ruins.

It seems like everyone is either dead or gone,

minus one kid who was still around, Jun Fan,

and tells them that there's a ghost train. And

this ghost train somehow is tied into the hood.

So they all mount up, they go out, they find

this train, are able to run it down. It appears

that it is made out of some sort of Stark technology.

We can see some arc reactors and watch it fly

over a big chasm, which was... Really cool. And

in there, we find all the people from this town,

perhaps other places too, sort of entranced sitting

in the seats of this train. They're not reacting

to any sort of external stimulus. And they find

a character by the name of Sonny Birch, who seems

to be sort of in charge of the hood's expeditures

out there. And funny enough, for those that were

with us in the watch party, I called said it

was voiced by Walter Goggins, which is totally

wrong. And so I'll eat crow here and say that

I messed up. But Walton Goggins, who really does

that that accent very well and says, you know,

hey, no reason to fight. You want to find the

hood. The hood wants to find you. Let's have

a meeting. So they take the ghost train and go

to ultimately, I guess, where the hood's HQ is.

And Hood comes out, you know, has Shang want

to join him and everything. And a fight ensues

between it. Only sometime in them exists it to

be revealed that the Hood is actually his sister

that he's been looking for, Xia Ling. Dun, dun,

dun. Yeah. In the meantime, Kate is on the train

still and is being hypnotized by Sonny Burch,

which is this sort of song from this pocket watch.

That is apparently how he has gotten control

of all the other passengers on the train anyway

and was doing it to her as well. Shane ultimately

decides that he can't fight his sister. She's

not listening to reason. So he kneels down and

basically poses the idea that if you want to

kill me, you're going to have to do it while

I stand here defenseless, which is a very heroic

act. In the meantime, seeing the hypnosis happening.

Jun Fan goes and rings the bell on the train,

which apparently is enough to awaken everyone.

Kate's able to grab her pistols and clear out

everyone, knocking out Sonny Birch. And then

as Xia Ling is going to actually kill Shang -Chi,

she doesn't hold back, which surprised me. I

thought that that was going to be how they did

it. She's actually going to go through with it.

Kate is able to shoot and ultimately kill her

before so. And in doing so, the hood is removed.

And as she's having her dying breaths, has a

nice tender moment with Shang -Chi, who is able

to reunite, at least for a few brief moments,

with what is actually his sister. You know, the

real one. Yeah, not the one that has been corrupted

by the hood. We see the hood sort of flying off

in the breeze. And then at the ending, we have

Uatu and the other Watchers. have a brief scene

as Iwatu earlier on while they were on the train,

saved Junfan from some goons by flicking them

off the top of the train, breaking his oath to

be a watcher and being impartial. And the eminence

steps before him and says, this has gone on long

enough. We cannot handle any more of your interference

and is punishing him in some way. And we see

little bits of shards of. The hallway in which

all of these what -if scenarios are sort of taking

place in flick off into the ether, which I assume

will have some sort of repercussions down the

road. One would imagine. But yeah, that was the

breakdown that we had in terms of tie -ins to

the MCU. I feel like we've broken record here

a little bit with this, with these what -if episodes,

as in it doesn't really have any major ones because

it's a what -if episode. It's a separate designation.

In and of itself, of course, we do get to see,

and I actually really enjoyed seeing the Watcher

do something. And then, you know, I remember

when it happening, watching it, like, I was like,

man, he's not supposed to do that. But they actually

address it. So I think that is interesting. Maybe

doesn't tie into the MCU in general, but shows

perhaps a way that, you know, because the theory

is, of course, that the Watchers are always out

there. why they aren't interfering in any other

affairs anyway, because they tried that back

in the day and Uatu got in trouble. So in terms

of tie -ins go, that's probably the major one

that I see, you know, and everything else is

just, of course, just the characters themselves

in a different scenario, Wild West scenario versus

their standard settings. But how about comic

books, Remy? Anything specifically where they

tie in there? Yeah, actually, there are quite

a few comic routes in this one. This one is rooted

in the 2015 Secret Wars events, specifically

tied to the limited series of 1872 written by

Jerry Duggan. The reality is known as the Valley

of Doom and is in domain six on Battleworld.

So kind of cool. I believe this is the same reality

that the old man Logan takes place in. So that's

the main. comic source and then it also takes

a page from 2015's master of kung fu limited

series which is another secret wars tie -in and

the 2002 limited series the hood by brian k vaughn

obviously that is the origin of that character

and uh that's what we get from that and this

episode takes place in the the designation is

earth trn1495 But the comic origin, if you care,

is Earth 51920. Well, I can't. So those are the

those are the comic origins. And as far as Easter

eggs are concerned, there were a ton of them

that I caught. We got the sun's getting real

low. Obviously, the ten rings. We heard stark

munitions, hammer, steel, cross manufacturing.

So all three are characters that we know. The

Fist of Fury. We saw Throg. We saw Alligator

Loki. There was mention of Kate Bishop's family

history being rich. There was John Walker, who

was also played by what's his name? Russell White

Russell. Yep. Wyatt Russell. Just a ton of things

thrown at this one. And I that was a ton of fun

watching them all come through. So what do you

think of the episode overall? I know you kind

of already mentioned it, but yeah, I'll get that

one second. I actually wanted to add a couple

more of the Easter eggs that I know. Yeah, by

all means as well. Uh, all the ones you did,

of course. Great. We also had, uh, them talk

about June Vaughn being, uh, having iron fists,

which I thought was interesting. Yeah. Especially

after just recently watching one of the iron

fist. What if episodes? Oh, that reminds me.

Uh, June Vaughn is actually an iron fist and

given the timeline, it actually lines up with

when he is the iron fist. So that's really cool

too. Sorry to interrupt. Carry on. Uh, and we

also in the hallway with Uatu walking, we had,

uh, in addition to the Throg and alligator Loki,

we had, uh, a high seas version of crossbones,

which was pretty cool. And Ultron as a show tunes

robot. That's right. That's right. Yeah. So that's

pretty great. Yeah. Lots of, lots of Easter eggs

in this one, uh, which was kind of fun. So, but

thoughts and feelings, you know, it's funny.

Uh, I have to, I have to. turn on my own standards

here. I've been talking a lot about how I haven't

liked the What If series thus far. And I got

to be honest, man, I really like this episode.

I understand it's standalone. I understand it's

an outside story, but I am impartial to Westerns.

I've always enjoyed them. I have fond memories

as a child watching Westerns with my grandpa.

So perhaps that goes into it. But having that

kind of setting and seeing the characters that

I love in a setting that I really enjoy was really...

Really fun. I thought the story was really well

done. I loved seeing and you know, what's really

funny and we'll get there eventually. This version

of the hood. We see the hood in Ironheart. Ironheart

as well. This version of the hood is. 10 ,000

times better than that one. In my opinion. Oh

my God. I was blown. I was, I was sitting there

like when I seen the hood being the villain here

and I was like, Oh great. You know? And I even

said for those that were with us in the watch

party, I wonder if it's the same guy, you know,

like that was in, that was in the show, which

it wasn't, it was a totally different thing.

And obviously in this case it was, uh, Jolene,

but I was just like, man, you know, the voice

that they used, uh, the, you know, sort of the

demonic voice they used while they were talking

the. Power set and what they were doing, you

know, the fight scene that they had with the

Hood and Shang, just all just chef's kiss. No

notes on this one. I mean, this is probably the

favorite thing that we've watched thus far here

on the show. Whoa. Okay. Wow. I'm not going to

say it's my favorite Marvel thing ever. You know,

there's a lot of things we haven't got to yet,

but of the things we've watched so far, only

seven episodes in, this one takes the cake for

me. Nice. Yeah. How about you? What are your

thoughts? It's funny because I'm exactly the

opposite. I don't like spaghetti Westerns. I

don't like things that are set in the Old West.

I find it very, very boring, typically. But I

thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I like Shang

-Chi. I really like Kate Bishop as a character.

It was fun. It was a really good adventure. Like

we were saying, there were a lot of comic roots

in here. So it was a lot for me to recognize

and pull from and like, oh, I see what they're

doing. So it was even if I wasn't paying attention

to the Western of it all, which they definitely

made better than your typical Western. There

was a lot for me to enjoy. But I have to agree.

I think this is probably one of my favorite that

we've watched to this point, although I really

did like the I think it was episode three of

Eyes of Wakanda that we've watched so far. That

was that was a lot of fun. That was the Iron

Fist, the Iron Fist one. Yeah. So I really enjoyed

that. But overall, great episode. I again, I'm

with you. No notes. That was a lot of fun. And

just to throw it out there, we kept referring

to the dude that played Hood in Iron Heart as

the Hamilton guy. His name is Anthony Ramos,

in case anybody cares. We'll get there, too.

That's that's on the on the horizon. And I really

look forward to. uh enjoying that that series

again yeah talking about it in the best of ways

but yeah no what i was going to say is that uh

i could easily watch an entire series set up

to be this and be happy oh man if they wanted

to put a whole series a whole season together

of just this i would i would watch it and i would

I would smile on a grateful universe, you know?

Yeah. Same. If they did a full animated battle

world series, looked at old man, Logan, the hulks.

I mean, there are so many good stories in battle

world. This being one of them, man, I'd be all

for it. A hundred percent. Absolutely. Yeah.

At least we got a taste. We got a taste. Sometimes

a little dab will do you. That'll do donkey.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so

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