Nightmare on a Gurney

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Jeffrey Bezos. Here we go. Yes. Tell me this

story again. I forget. Get to see him bit by

Spider -Man man. Spider -Man man. And Klingon

tombstone. Yeah. Oh, it's Secretary. He's the

one that hid the secret things in the terrible

secret drawer. Probably. Probably we can all

blame Ogden. Yeah. All roads lead to Ogden. Santorini.

Well, we know what happens after that. They're

about to practice Santorini. Yeah. What the hell?

Betrayal. Name of that episode? Very apropos.

Uh -huh. I don't like the name of this one either.

Nightmare on a Gurney? This one's raining. It's

raining on this episode. Just a heads up. Well.

I know we were confused about that one time before.

At least we know why the hat will be wet. Yeah.

Oh, he's still packing his bag. He's still excited

to go to Santorini. Well, he doesn't know she

just ratted him out. I know. She's just the repetitive

rat. Yeah. And once a rat, always a rat. Oh,

man. You look around New York City with a million

dollars in an envelope. Oh, well. Oh, it's for

Janet. That's cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't

give it to her when there was a gun held to her

head, but you know. Yeah, but yeah. When he's

leaving, he's going to give it to her. All right.

You go back in the underwear, Jerome. Oh, man.

Just leaving that? Yeah. That's an interesting

choice. I don't need these memories in Santorini.

Right. I got brand new butts to touch. Uh oh.

That's not what you want. His bentingles tingling.

Oh, it's Ogden. Oh, I wonder what he's doing

there. How does he know about Ben? Yeah. Oh man,

no trigger discipline either. Right? Whoa. That's

how you oopsie and blow him away. Yeah. Damn.

Harsh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't just reach into

your pocket when someone's got a gun to your

chest. Now you're the oldest person here somehow.

Oh, OK. Wait, so do they mix him with a dog?

Is that what we're understanding here? Maybe.

Is he dog boy? I'm living in dog years. Woof,

woof. That sucks so bad. Like, that's your mutation.

Yeah. Like, this dude got all spidery and can

swing from buildings. You're just old. I age.

And have the overwhelming urge to sniff people's

buttholes. Oh, man. No, you do. Yeah. Fair. Freedom

of the press. Yeah. His tie looks like spider

eyes to me. Spider eyes. Yeah, yeah, I can see

it. Or a snake. Or a dog. Dog eyes. His name's

Man Spider Spider Man Man. We knew him as Bob.

Man, and it's been, what, five to ten years?

Yeah. Because he hung up the costume five years

ago. We don't know exactly how long he... Was

the spider. I'm going to Santorini. Freckles.

That's his dog name. I go by spot now. Yeah.

Oh, where was your bent angle, man? I know his

bent angle is. Leaves a lot to be desired. Really,

really goes a wire. Oh, well, that's a weird

look. Yeah, I know. What a weird shot. He's like

floating right above the floor to see that. Oh,

it's like spider eyes. Yeah. Now he's going to

be man, spider, spider, man, man, spider himself.

Oh, man. Nightmare on a gurney. Here we come

on a gurney. He's going to a gurney. The episode

names really give it away. They really do. They

do better. Yeah, the last one was called Betrayal

and it was like the last thing that happened.

If I ever make a TV show, my titles are going

to be throwing people way off. Oh, for sure.

It would be hard to see out of those grates on

that mask. Yeah. Just vibing with this theme

song. Mm hmm. Oh, hey, we finally figured out

where that shot was from. Yeah, right. Took him

long enough. Yeah. I don't know that there's

a lot left that we haven't seen in this. Yeah,

no, I think that. That might have been the last

thing. It could be all the pieces of discernible

thing, at least have fallen together. Just in

time. Yeah. For a nightmare on a gurney. No,

no. That makes me uncomfortable. That's fair.

Oh, man. Oh, man. I thought he was being carried

head down. Funk, funk, funk. Man, he did not

have to drag him through that puddle. There was

plenty of room on both sides of that puddle to

walk. Yeah, that felt intentional. Come on, man.

He's like, I'm dragging this. Well, he's a dog,

so. He's got to splash around in the puddle.

He didn't try to go through a door with him facing

it wrong. Yeah. OK, see, now we're using the

comic style to to effect, not. Not little floating

images. Yeah. This kind of stuff I dig. Very

Eric Bana Hulk feel to it. Yeah. I guess that's

Ang Lee Hulk. He's sweaty. Yeah, it's pretty

gross. Yeah. But he smells like rotten chicken.

Oh. Oh, God. You're welcome for that. Oh, she

just called him Robin. Oh, man. Yeah, sure. I

believe people that have me handcuffed to the

bed when they tell me that. Different scenarios.

Well, you know, fair enough. Mr. Spider. That's

my father. She's like a school teacher. Now.

Yeah, there's not a version of any Spider -Man

that wouldn't be able to rip those handcuffs

off of that bed. Yeah. Right. OK, there you go.

They address it. I feel better. He does look

like a scared puppy. She told him to fetch. She

absolutely did. We're going to see that over

and over. Yeah, that's my favorite thing. Good.

So that gross thing bite him over and over again.

Hey, that's Bob. Yeah. Oh. All right. Tony McQuire's

transformation was way more satisfying. Yeah,

right. They don't have a band -aid or nothing

on there. Right out of his hole. Can you imagine

discovering that? That's so gross. Make more

noise, man. Wake everybody up. And yet nobody

has stirred. I guess this is the hospital wing.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I know Tai Chi. See Tai Chi.

Jesus. He's still in the bed jerking. No, that's

something different. Oh. Well, so it's always

been that way. See, I was thinking that was part

of his old man tingle, like it wasn't working

as good, but no, immediately it was just that.

One would think after this amount of time of

that happening, you would stop touching your

neck when it happens. Yeah. Well, I don't know.

Professor X still touches his temple every time

he does brain stuff. Fair, fair. Maybe that enhances

it. Enhance, enhance. Enhance. That man's face

is scary. Yeah. It's like he's wearing a mask.

He does sound a bit like Tommy Lee Jones from

Captain America. I was thinking that too. That's

him. Same guy. Yeah. A different variant. Don't

you worry. Oh, that was that was a weird cut.

I know they're trying to apply this the same

person. No, that'd be weird. Yeah. Yeah, you're

in the 30s now. Yeah, we got Tommy guns. The

edit just confused you with that man. Yeah. Yeah.

We're being led astray. I can't get over how

sweaty he is from there. It's pretty bad. Yep.

Well, I stuck her in my underwear drawer earlier.

Oh. So Ogden's her kid, yeah? Well, he's not

lost. He's still alive. I know, but she just

said, what if you were losing someone? Yeah.

I guess. Maybe two people. No, could be, could

be. Hit him with a good boy when he gives you

that stuff. Oh, God, I hope she does. Come on.

Give him a treat. She didn't do it. Missed opportunity.

I know. Lame. Oh, man. She ratted her out? Already,

too. Damn. Damn. Well, at least Ogden cares.

He seems to be a decent... He's the best boy.

He's the goodest boy. He's the goodest boy, Ogden.

See, I hear double -fisted microscopes. Check

every hole. Oh, my. He's in bed jerking again.

There he is, yeah. Flip. They've got wrappings

around his... Web shooters. His web hole. I'm

sure that would stop a web. I just won the holes.

That's really messed up. Right? It's not water.

It's vodka. Well, yeah, he's been sitting there

sweating for like however long. Yeah. Yep. He

did save you and the others. Let him out of the

POW. She's spirited. Oh, he's so naive. So I'm

going to need your heart. Yeah. Well, not too

far off. Get one that regenerates. Cut a little

liver off. Yeah. Should have been the lizard.

Windex. Brandon. Would she say to him? I couldn't.

Help me out here. I thought she said cut him

open. Cut him open. So anyway, I just stopped

chopping. Yeah. Her little hallway of horror

there. Right. Degradation. She's. Well, no kidding,

Ogden. OK. All right, Nick, I'm out. It's been

a fun. They couldn't let him eat in this episode.

It's been a fun run. You've descended into madness.

How about ravioli on the gurney? That's what

this should have been called. Ravioli on the

gurney. Good boy, Augie. Well, I don't care for

that. No. What on earth? Oh, that wasn't. Oh,

oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, stop it. Oh, I hate this.

This is awful. Yeah. Everything about it. Yeah.

Well. Yeah. No, thank you. All right. Well, this

has been fun, everyone. Thank you for watching

this episode of Snark Industries. We're signing

off. Oh, no. Again? Same arm? Come on, man. I

know. No. Well, she's in the underwear drawer.

You won't get to look at her. I touched some

other woman's butt last night. Oh, no. Oh, no.

She betrayed me. Oh, no. Weird. Oh, that's it's

going to be a spider ruby. Oh, I hate I hate

dream sequences. OK. That's not as terrifying

as I thought. Well. Oh, that gives the tryptophobia

or whatever that is. Oh. We've got an ant man

now. He's tripping on acid. All right. That was

pretty poor CG. I got to say. How dare you? Mm

hmm. I mean, you did. You got that guy killed

for sure. He probably deserved it. But so. He

did try to save that guy. He didn't try to save

that guy. And that's not what happened. Oh, he

was a spider all along. See? That was from episode

two. Yeah. When she smashed that spider. That

was fun. You got red on you. I need to wipe it

out. Centrifuge. It's ridiculous. I almost did

the same thing. I'm good at this. Yeah, you are.

You are. Nailed it. I'm not a scientist. I don't

know if that looks right or not. I don't think

so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all about that liver.

Not the base. The liver. Oh, look at that. It's

a cure. Just mix their bloods together. No liver

juices. Yeah, I would say he's going to rip his

liver out and stick it in him. Mm hmm. Checks

out. Man, his wrist. Oh, yeah, you can see it.

I was going to say his wrist has got to be all

messed up. Oh, God. Oh. Chafing. Use the force.

That's pretty close. Yeah. Well, now he made

a big mess and there's web everywhere. Yeah.

Well, no, it disintegrates when he wants it to.

Well, OK. Maybe that's it. Maybe. Maybe it's

the amount of concentration he puts in the web.

How long it lasts up in the way web. Go, go,

spider web. No, that didn't work. Oh, we about

to see a King Theoden effect. Wrap it in some

peanut butter so it'll take it better. Nope.

Okay, mom. See, that's what you do with a dog.

See? You distract him. That's what I said. Give

him a shot. Sticking peanut butter. She didn't

do the peanut butter thing. It would have been

better with peanut butter. Oh. Oh. Oh, they're

not going to let us see it? Come on. Oh, okay.

Okay, good. Oh, maybe not. Come on now. They

can't afford to pay for that transformation.

We'll just see the after effect. Oh, that's disappointing.

Come on. Oh, boo. You know, it's always fun to

watch is how those scenes are filmed. Like he

could have been just ducking down below the camera

the first spin around. Yeah. Now stand up. Huzzah.

Yeah. Now see if you can still bark. Oh. He doesn't

have any freckles. I understand. Really good

point. Also. He looks to be the age he was in

the camp. Yeah. So did it completely de -age

him to where he's not going to be aging anymore

or just reset him from there? He's going to be

a baby tomorrow. She just created an immortal.

Immortal Ogden. Yeah. I got what I wanted. It's

time to go. Mm hmm. It's the 30s. Come on. How

hard can it be to disappear? The disappearance,

not the hard part. He's upset that she's doing

it. Well, no, he's going to kill him because.

Yeah, but she's going to kill him because he'll

rat on them. Just like let him go and disappear.

He's a private dick. Go to another country. Go

to Santini. That's right. You know, he's not

going to go anymore. That place is soured. That's,

you know, that's what we're missing. We need

hood ornaments again. Fun fact, I actually have

one on my car. Do you? It's the Autobot symbol

I stuck on there. Hell yeah. Well, there's a

cure for everybody if you guys go see the doctor.

Slow it down a little bit. Weird sand guy anymore.

Although, I don't think Silverman's really...

Looking for. No, he's not. He's not. Oh, man.

Now this is happening again. I like the dance,

though. I like his. I like that he's got the

little open backed hospital gown on, though.

Mm hmm. I mean, see some staple Nick Cage undies.

Mm hmm. Hey, at least they gave us the decency

of giving him some undies. Yeah. Yeah. Just cheeks

out. spider cheeks sun's out buns out yeah what's

happening oh my god so i want to be a i was going

to say a fly on the wall but i want to know the

stage direction for this scene Like, Nick, I

want you to walk down this hall in the weirdest

way you could think of. Tai Chi. It worked. Freckles?

Good boy, Ogden. My bite is gone. Did you just

see how I walked down this hall? Man, that that

red and white car. That's beautiful. I like that.

Yeah. Yeah. Some of those old classics like that

do look good. Mm hmm. Get the little extra tire

just strapped to the side. Remove this door for

me. I like the color of his suit. Yeah. Easy

peas. I mean, they're they're making Tombstone.

Yeah, I mean, that's extremely strong. That is

absurd. Yeah. I know he's strong in the comics,

but I don't know that he's that strong. I just

know he's more durable. Oh, Nick Cage. Freckles.

Gosh, dude, this is why. So aggressive. I don't

know that anyone has ever said freckles that

aggressively. No. Get this man a hot dog to peel

stat. Or to talk on. You never know with this

guy. And open the door. He's chasing his Pulitzer.

Oh. No, this is a different door. Another weird

transition for no reason. Yeah, that was that

was very strange. But he's carrying the newspaper.

Just in there on the mission. Oh. Oh, wait. Maybe

it was on the roof. Yeah, OK, good. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Has been tingle worked. Luckily, not a

single one of those four guys looked up when

they were in that elevator. You know, people

don't look up. Oh, man. A lot of weird Marilyn

Monroe stuff going on there with that fall. Oh.

God. This man. Nope. They couldn't have detoured

and gotten his. Clothes? Nope. Time is of the

essence. Look at how he's got that gun in his

little scrub pocket. Right. Oddly, scrubs not

good for carrying guns. No. Who knew? Yeah. Who'd

have thunk it? It's like they weren't designed

for it. Luckily, she clearly marks her vials.

I was just thinking that would probably be marked

a little differently. Wait, what is that blood

from? I like that. permanent bloodshot eye he's

got making me uncomfortable. Agreed. God. Yeah,

that's a great reaction. He's like, oh shit,

now I feel like an asshole. He does have a conscience.

Liar! It seems to me like she would be the type

to want to have been there for him shooting Ben.

Like not to leave any loose ends. Too trusting

of herself. OK, yeah, you go take care of it.

I'm going to sit up here. Now she was making

more doses of the antidote, which actually is

encouraging, meaning she was intending to give

it to people. Yeah, sure. Or having a case, it

didn't completely work on Ogden. Yeah, in case

Ogden reverted or something. Oh, there you go.

Oh. Is that where your liver is? No. No, I didn't

think so. She just went in the wrong spot. Yeah.

Doctor. Oh. Oh, she wasn't lying. Oh, man. Oh,

no. Well, this is horrifying. Yeah. OK, so out

of that whole group, we're looking at a lot of.

Yeah, most of them. Yeah. A lot of them wiped

out. That's why we don't have to worry about

seeing. Oh, man, he recognized one. Oh, yeah,

that was the praying mantis one. Did you see

the little electrical thing go up Dirk's face?

That was fun. That was cool, yeah. I'll take

my liver, thank you. Oh, no, never mind. Just

taking the sticky. Taking the label so they won't

know it's his. There's an antidote upstairs.

I wrote antidote on the bio. Right. Y 'all should

have just looked around. I mean, she made a breakthrough,

bro. Oh, I guess they don't know that. She said

Ogden died. Man, he is impulsive. Freckles? Freckles?

Oh, dude. Oh, dude. Dude, like for real. Oh.

That man is a liability. He really is. He's a

live wire. I tell you. Yeah. Puns. Oh, no way.

All that. And the good boy dies. No. All because

of. Fat Shakespeare. Unbelievable. Look at that

growl. Growl at me, fool. So imagine the people

going in and recovering the remains after all

this fire. They're going to be like, uh, what

happened here? Why does this guy have a claw?

Pudge and Perry. Throw a toaster at him. What

is happening? Is that man doing dental work on

him? It looked like it, yeah. Everyone, get to

the cars. You parked that car really close to

the place you were planning on blowing up. I

don't think they were planning on blowing it

up. That part was the accident. You don't think

so? Because he electrocuted the gun that fell

into the flammable liquid that just happened

to be on there. Yeah, yeah, I guess. We don't

know that their plan wasn't to... Oh, he got

the antidote. Mmm. So he's obviously not going

to take it. I mean, well, only time will tell.

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and enjoy this episode of Stark Industries. Hello,

ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Deep

Dive for Snark Industries. We just got finished

watching Nightmare on a Gurney, which is episode

six of Spider Noir. John, why don't you go ahead

and tell us what that was about? Absolutely.

This is the horrifying episode, in case anybody

was wondering. Yeah, the body horror. Yeah, the

body horror episode, which is not something I

was ready for. And I hope everyone enjoyed it

as much as we did, question mark. We start out

at the beginning, sort of a direct continuation

of the last episode, where we've got Ben packing

his bags, ready to go to Santorini with Kat and

live his life happily ever after, not knowing

that she's already betrayed him. And his life

is about to come unraveled. He has his knock

on the door as he's doing so. It is Ogden, and

he grabs a pistol from his drawer and... Just

very haphazardly sticks his finger all up over

the trigger and throws that door open like he's

never held a gun before in his life. Yeah, pretty

bad for a soldier. Yeah, yeah. His trigger discipline

left a lot to be desired. It's Ogden, and he's

come to sort of talk to Ben. Of course, we know

that Ogden knows that Ben is the spider, but

the spider doesn't know that Ogden knows that

he's the spider. So it's a little bit of dramatic

irony. He doesn't know that you know that I know

that. So they sit down and have a talk, and basically

Ogden is, you don't remember me, do you? And

he's like, from yesterday? And, you know, of

course, Nick. being Nick, as usual, and sort

of reveals that, you know, he was there at the

prisoner camp and, you know, Ben had helped him

once before and sort of hinted, not super directly,

but directly enough, like, I know who you are,

but he didn't say it outright, that he knew about

Ben's secret identity and his powers and just

basically said, hey, you helped us once before.

You're a good person. Come help us again. In

which case, Ben said, of course, that's what

heroes do. No, wait, that's not what he said.

He said, no, I'm leaving to Santorini with my

girlfriend. Get screwed, old man. And so long

story short, Ogden drugs him, knocks him out

and drags him down the steps and through a puddle

back to Faber's horror laboratory that is under

the hospital. It seems like if I can interject,

we find out during that conversation that Ogden's

aging. at about the speed of a dog. Yes, we did.

And I was, I realized that I didn't mention that

as it happened, but I was going to, but yes,

thank you for keeping me honest on this thing.

But yeah, we do realize that Ogden is the best

boy Ogden, AKA has got injected with dogwood.

We've made a lot of good dog jokes in the watch

party. You guys are missing out if you're not

going to go take part of that, but. Yes, we do

find that out in that conversation as well, that

he is aging. That's why he's such an old man

now. It's funny that, you know, he's like, I

was there at the war. And Ben says, the Civil

War? Like this, man, terrible clap. But yeah,

so he explains why he's so much older, but was

there, which was confusing to me too last time.

I don't remember seeing an old man there, but

it did make sense now that they kind of explained

it. So yes, we did find that out. And then he

drugs him and then he drags him down the stairs

and through the puddle and to his, or to Faber's.

horror laboratory. Ben wakes up strapped to a

gurney, drugged out of his mind, unable to rip

free of these handcuffs because of it, and has

a conversation with Faber, who is going to study

him because he is the only person who went through

these changes from this experiment that happened

back at this camp that is not suffering any adverse

effects. And as they're kind of having this discussion

and everything else, She reveals that this is

such an important task to her because Ogden is

actually her own son who is growing old and dying

before her eyes. And it is of utmost importance

to her to save him. And she's going to do so

by any means necessary, because that doesn't

sound like the work of a psychopath. But anyway,

she starts out pretty simple, you know, standard

stuff, just taking his blood. Nothing too crazy

there, minus the, you know, unwillful imprisonment

and everything. But ultimately is unable to draw

any conclusions based on what she's, you know,

his blood cells all look normal. What do you

do in these dire circumstances? So you start

cutting. So she wheels him down to an operating

room and takes bits and pieces of some of his

bits and pieces. I think most importantly. Oh,

that makes it sound so wrong. I know it does.

It was very on purpose. Most importantly, and

we'll find out that his liver, which I had the

foresight to know was the best thing to find

as we were watching, fun enough. But take some

of those things. And as he's doing so, we see,

or as she's doing this, we see this truly horrific

sort of string of scenes where there's spiders

like crawling out of his open holes. And like,

you know, she's the man spider for a second.

And then there's a, you know, he's grabbing stuff

and it's turning into other stuff. And it's,

you know, it's truly, truly a horrifying. It's

body horror. Few minutes. Yeah. I mean, they

went full tilt into this sort of specific genre,

which feels out of place here, if I'm honest.

But this is what they decided to go with. And

obviously with them leaning into this origin

story for this Spider -Man being the man spider,

Spider -Man, man spider. I guess it makes a little

sense, but that's either here or there. She takes

the bits and pieces and studies them. And as

she's doing so, finds that whatever is there

in his liver, she mixes it with Ogden's blood

and the cells attacked Ogden's mutations. They

are seemingly healing them right on there on

the spot in this Petri dish under the microscope.

And so she begins to work on concocting an antidote

out of this. Meanwhile, Ben. Still drugged in

a day, strapped to a gurney in another room,

is trying his absolute damnedest to get out of

this situation. And ultimately, after a couple

of swings and misses and randomly jerking on

those handcuffs 10 million times to no avail,

is able to web up the keys, which they very smartly

left in the room right beside him. That's the

best place to keep keys for your prisoners. Yeah.

Yeah. And is able to free himself as she has

concocted this antidote. Gives it to Ogden, who

before our very eyes, though, off camera, because

CGI is expensive, man, becomes the version of

himself once again. She's happy. She's done it.

And now they can go start their lives together.

But first, there's an important bit of business

to take care of. And that's killing Ben for some

reason. Kill the spider. So this this idea that,

you know, and I have to go back on what I saw

last time of her. Kind of being a misunderstood,

but ultimately a good person trying to legitimately

help people. Turns out that she's kind of for

a selfish reason and also kind of not a nice

person at all. Because now that she's done it,

she just wants to kill Ben for literally no reason.

Even after she's already promised Kat that she

wouldn't. Yeah, Ogden very much stepped into

that role. And Ogden, yeah, you're exactly right.

Ogden steps up to her and says, listen, after

everything that's happened, at least let me do

it. Let me go handle him. And, you know, that

way it's all said and done. So he grabs the gun

and goes downstairs to take care of Ben. Meanwhile,

she seems to sit down and begins working on another

antidote. It's not super clear what her intentions

are, because I don't think that it's necessarily

to continue to help other people. She seems very

much to be happy to take her son and just go.

It could be another dose in case he gets some

side effects later, or it could be maybe she

was having a... Bit of a nice thought process

here? Question mark? Not clear. But we jump downstairs

and Ogden confronts Ben, who is free and getting

ready to escape from downstairs and, you know,

goes to shoot him. Walking down the hallway very,

very oddly. Well, that hadn't happened yet. He

walks down the hallway when he gets to the elevator

door. The elevator door opens and yeah. And he's

there. It's, yeah, the weirdest walk down the

hall ever. If you don't watch any other part

of this episode, look up the walking down the

hall scene, because that was a real treat for

the absurdity level. But ultimately says, hey,

you saved my life. I want to try to save yours.

Ogden is showing that even after all that happened

and his mother clearly is the psycho that Ben

assumed that she was, Ogden is going to try his

best to do the right thing. So they get in the

elevator to leave so he can get Ben out of there.

And as they do so, it's kind of off camera. What's

been going on during this time is Robbie runs

the story on all the information that they had

gathered on Faber. Front page news is the location

of this sort of crazy murder lab that they call.

Which is kind of wild. Yeah. Which, yeah, put

in the address. Wild work, Robbie. Yeah. So he

runs that story. And of course, because of that.

Silvermane is interested, and he and his Sinister

Three are en route. And so they arrive just as

Ben and Ogden are leaving, walking in the building.

They both stick to the roof of the elevator.

Luckily, bad guys don't know how to look up.

Something in their neck muscles, maybe. They

don't see them up there, and they go in to see

kind of what's going on, confronting Faber in

her lab. And basically says, I want to see these

monsters, these other, ultimately the other soldiers,

the friends of these three that were there in

their prison or war camp and everything else

that we had seen from previous episodes. And

she takes them down below to do that. While Ben

and Ogden decide to split up, Ben going to the

original lab where Faber was working on the antidote,

where his clothes and everything were. And Ogden

goes and tries to help his mother. And as they

get down there. We see once again, this body

horror scene of all these like big vats of weird

mutated people that are dead, just floating in

the liquid for some reason. You know, she tries

to convince everybody that, no, I was trying

to help them. The technology just hadn't came

far enough yet, but I actually have figured it

out now. I can help you. Once again, not clear

if the antidote she was working on before was

for this purpose or if it was just an opportune

moment to, you know. Sharing said antidote with

them at this point would be self -serving. In

either case, they don't really believe her. And

we see kind of the live wire, as I said, of the

watch party megawatt kind of go off the handle

and sort of attack her. Ogden shows up, shoots

him once, not fatally. Didn't really even seem

to affect him. Yeah, not much at all. Yeah, very

clearly. Yeah, I don't know if that's part and

parcel of his powers. We see Lonnie kind of jump

in front of him, who I say should be able to

absorb some bullets. But yeah, the shot that

did hit Megawatt didn't seem to do anything,

strangely enough. But this sort of brief fight.

It kind of breaks out, and ultimately, at the

end of the day, both Ogden and Dr. Faber are

killed in this exchange, and the lab itself is

caught on fire because megawatts of electricity

powers hit this gun, which then fell into this

puddle of flammable liquid that's just on the

floor for some reason. Yeah, that confused me.

Everything goes up in flames. Who left the gas

on the ground? Yeah, right. Where's the janitor?

So as everything's kind of going up in smoke,

we see Dr. Faber and Ogden sort of laying side

by side after all that work and all that time

and being able to revert his condition and seeing

Ogden ultimately make a good decision to not

only save Ben, but to go back and try to save

her, too. Ultimately, a good man, maybe moral

compass. Most north out of anybody in the show

so far, really. For real. Because even Ben's

got some questionable stuff that he's doing.

Yeah, right. Blackmail. Yeah, we've seen some

stuff. He's got a man killed. Anyway, so we see

them kind of laying side by side as everything

kind of goes up in smoke. Ben gets outside and

he sneaks past a couple of other, the lowly.

unpowered goons of silver manes that are standing

by the cars. That's right. Doing dental work

or something. Doing dental work randomly. And

we see him reach in his pocket and pull out this

vial of this antidote. And we know from previous

episodes that he's looking to sort of get rid

of this power, but is that a good idea now? His,

you know, his, his lifelong. His life dream of

going to Santorini with Kat now seems to have

gone up in smoke like this lab did. His 12 -hour

long dream. Yeah, his one -day dream. So not

clear what he's going to do with it, but he does

have it. And just in the nick of time before

this huge explosion happened that engulfs this

entire area, Michael Bay style, Silvermane and

the goons get in the car and everyone drives

away. And that is what happened in episode six.

Man, you made that sound a lot more exciting

than I thought you were going to be able to.

It was pretty exciting. I'm a pretty exciting

guy. I've always said that. No, for sure. For

sure. But yeah, in terms of science in the MCU,

we say it every time for continuity's sake, but

it's the same kind of story here. A universe

within a universe, not only being a Sony production,

but also being a standalone universe within the

Sony universe itself. This doesn't have any tie

-ins whatsoever. to the mcu at large outside

of just familiar characters some familiar stories

and things like that and kind of on that same

token i guess we'll kick it over to you too for

any sort of comic book references and of course

any easter eggs and fun stuff that we saw during

the episode yeah there wasn't a ton that i saw

but in the research between our watch party and

deep dive i did find a few things that were kind

of fun of course we've got ben reilly thinking

about walking away wanting to get rid of the

powers that's very much from the comics not necessarily

ben reilly But from Peter Parker, there was a

run called Spider -Man No More. The Amazing Spider

-Man number 50 in 1967, where he talks about

walking away from his hero life and actually

does so. So it was a very good nod to that. We've

also got it might be a little bit of a stretch,

but Ben Reilly being on the dissection table.

For those that know where Ben Reilly came from,

he is supposedly there is some debate. I personally

think that Ben Reilly is the original Spider

-Man, but we won't go there. During the Clone

Saga, Ben Reilly is considered a clone and is

made by the Jackal, Miles Warren. And so him

being on the operating table is kind of, I would

imagine, something of an homage to that. But

going off of classic Easter eggs and things like

that, it's kind of cool to see Ogden in this

role because he is a classic horror. Actor this

is definitely the most horror oriented episode

to this point and to have somebody from Hellraiser

and child's play and things like that. It just

feels really fitting It's kind of like when Sam

Raimi did spider -man 2 and there was that whole

scene with Doc Ock and arms and everything just

felt like it fits the the genre very well, but

other than that no major comic book tie -ins

that I could really find. Uh, nothing, nothing

that really screamed stood out of me. And folks,

if you find something that we didn't come on

over to the discord and discuss, I'd love to

know about it. But, uh, beyond that, what'd you

think? Yeah. So minus the, and I'm going to kind

of preface this here, uh, by doing a little,

a little side arc. I don't like body horror.

I've never liked it. It's not something, it's

not a genre that I enjoy. And so because of that,

I didn't super love this episode from that perspective,

which was honestly a not insignificant portion

of the episode was seeing this various things,

watching that tarantula like pop up on his face

from the face mask. I was I was I was ready to

leave the room. I mean, it was I was like, no,

stop. So I'm not I'm not a big fan of that genre

or that type of that type of. You know, entertainment,

a lot of people are. And I don't want to say

that in a way to to sort of deter people from

watching it. If that's something that you're

into, just be prepared for it. And for me personally,

I didn't care for that. But as the story was

not prepared. Yeah, yeah, correct. But as a story

at large, it continues to be good. I liked that

we got to see, like I said, you know, as I was

kind of going through the synopsis, really what

I think is probably the most moral North character

that we've run into in Ogden. Yeah. Where, you

know, he's got honor and integrity and, you know,

he's, you know, even going against his own mother

who just spent the last, I think they said 15

years trying to fix him and ultimately succeeding

in doing so. But ultimately going against her

to free Ben because it was the right thing to

do. You know, no other reason than that. I really,

I really like that. Never mind that he is the

reason he was there in the first place. Well,

yes. You're absolutely right. But he did think

that there was going to be a life beyond that

for Ben. Yeah, he didn't. Yeah, he didn't realize.

And I don't think I think he was truly shocked.

And you could kind of see it on his face. Oh,

absolutely. When she said to kill him that that's

not what he expected to happen. I think that

he's, you know, because Ben said, you know, when

he was laying in the bed there talking to Ogden,

when he was letting him sip that water. That,

you know, that she was basically a psycho. And

he was like, no, she's, you know, she's cool.

That's my mama. She's just trying to help. You

know, but then she's like, kill him. And he's

like, well, hold on now. Maybe he was right.

So, you know. Hang on. But to see that kind of

come up from a character that really was nothing.

I mean, Ogden seems, you know, made up for this

show specifically, as far as I can tell. Yeah.

And so to see that come through and to have that

be here. I don't mind the antiheroes as a genre.

kind of thing with these morally questionable

choices, but it feels weird for Spider -Man.

Yeah. And so it's nice to have a character in

here that's not that. And even if it was, I think

very tragically that he died because of it, you

know, he went back to save his mommy after all

the things that had happened and, and lost his

own life because of it. Even after having to

do all this stuff to just have saved it with

this, with this thing that he got this, this

antidote that he received. Yeah, second chance

on life, and then he wastes it. Yeah, gone in

15 minutes. Crazy. But like I said, as an overall

story arc, I'm still really enjoying it. I want

to know what happens next in terms of everything

that's happening. We've got the goon squad going,

but Ben does have an antidote now. I wonder if

he can use that as a kind of a bargaining chip

for maybe at least one of the bad guys. To to

take, you know, I think Lonnie is probably the

best candidate in my mind to be like, hey, man,

you know, 100 percent. I don't think you're really

a bad person at heart. I actually have this endo.

You saw that Ogden was young. This works, you

know. And yeah, absolutely. Because him having

to to do battle with all three of those and Silverman,

too, is, you know, not a pushover. I wouldn't

imagine his own right, even if he is an old man

and everything, depending on what they do with

him. Maybe he's just meant to be kind of the

leader, but still. Well, I mean, in the comics.

He's he's nothing to be messed with. Exactly.

Enhanced and everything. Obviously, they're not

going this direction with him, but. Right. That's

what I mean. So, yeah, he's no joke. And that's

kind of what I mean. Like, you know, potentially

is is, you know, a problem in his own right and

everything else. So to see how, you know, then

can. sort of tip the scales in his favor. Cause

I think, especially with all of his old man status

going on and after all this stuff that happened

to him with, you know, half of his liver's gone

down, that walk down the hallway is so crazy,

you know, to see him trying to take on all four

of those guys, plus any other goons that Silvermane

may have seems like a Herculean task, but boy,

I'm intrigued to see how he does it, you know?

So definitely some speculation there, but yeah,

like the episode, continue to like the series.

How about yourself? Loved it. Thought it was

a lot of fun. I, despite my reactions during

the body horror moments, I actually like that

kind of stuff. I think it's fascinating. I think

it's, it's really, I mean, I just add a different

kind of entertainment. I mean, we just watched

the substance not too long ago, which if you

don't like body horror, stay away. But I really

eat that kind of stuff up. I think it's fascinating.

The, the fly that, I mean, Give it to me. I'm

all about it. Yes, I will squirm and little freak

out while it's happening. But retroactively,

I love it. It's it's a ton of fun for me. So

I thought that the horror element that was installed

in this episode was absolutely fantastic. I thought

I had a lot of fun with it. And to find, as you

said, Ogden with that, that really true North

character was kind of refreshing in this this

show because it's been full of characters that

are. I mean, even Ben, Janet, Robbie, everyone

is very much me, me, me looking out for themselves

and willing to bend their morals a bit. And Ogden

seemed very straightforward. Again, despite the

fact that he was the reason Ben was there in

the first place. But I liked him as a character

and I'm very sad to see him perish in this episode.

I think he could have been. fun ally for Ben

but I don't know where he would fit in the story

but regardless sad to see him go and as you mentioned

I am really curious to see where he goes with

this antidote situation because you've got like

you said the bargaining chip or I mean you could

weaponize it you can try to take these take something

into a battle and depower these characters as

you're fighting them I think that tombstone Lonnie

might be willing to take it on his own Flint

maybe because a cat Maybe Dirk. No, no, he's

not taking it. He's going to be a problem. Yeah.

Yeah. He's ultimately, he's the one that likes

killed everybody. Yeah. You know, the thing.

Yeah. Yeah. And I will say, and this is, you

know, and, and, you know, fans of comic books

and these types of stories will know this too.

You know, we say that we, so we're sad to see

Ogden go. And I definitely agree with that sentiment.

However, dot, dot, dot. Is he gone? Yes. This

is a man that just received. Some kind of enhancement

by way of Ben's liver. So, yeah, you know, it's

I'm curious to see if that somehow comes into

play, because, you know, we do see him laying

there with his mother, you know, as this thing

explodes. But is he really gone? Maybe. And maybe,

you know, we did get a good send off, as we discussed

here this episode, or maybe we'll see him again.

Only time shall tell. Let him die pure. Who knows?

Yeah. But yeah, all in all, loved it. That was

a really, really solid entry. I really appreciate

that we got. We got a bit more of his background,

a bit more of the platoon itself. And again,

I got a hammer on. I'm really curious to see

who else is going to come from that. We did see

a lot of those characters dead, though. I mean,

the last deep dive, I did speculate. That horror

lab was absolutely full of bodies. Oh, man. Yeah,

we saw the praying mantis. We saw a number of

the animals that we had seen. in the experiments

in that room. So it definitely took a big chunk

of those characters off the table. So it's certainly

not the same pool that we had speculated or I

had speculated last episode, but it is it is

still intriguing because there's definitely still

enough out there to make more of a story. So

very curious to see what that is going to do

in the future. But otherwise, I'm happy. I cannot

wait for the last two episodes and looking forward

to seeing them. So let's get to it. Two episodes

ago, and we look forward to seeing with all of

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