Spider-Noir · Season 1 · Episode 6
Nightmare on a Gurney
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Jeffrey Bezos. Here we go. Yes. Tell me this
story again. I forget. Get to see him bit by
Spider -Man man. Spider -Man man. And Klingon
tombstone. Yeah. Oh, it's Secretary. He's the
one that hid the secret things in the terrible
secret drawer. Probably. Probably we can all
blame Ogden. Yeah. All roads lead to Ogden. Santorini.
Well, we know what happens after that. They're
about to practice Santorini. Yeah. What the hell?
Betrayal. Name of that episode? Very apropos.
Uh -huh. I don't like the name of this one either.
Nightmare on a Gurney? This one's raining. It's
raining on this episode. Just a heads up. Well.
I know we were confused about that one time before.
At least we know why the hat will be wet. Yeah.
Oh, he's still packing his bag. He's still excited
to go to Santorini. Well, he doesn't know she
just ratted him out. I know. She's just the repetitive
rat. Yeah. And once a rat, always a rat. Oh,
man. You look around New York City with a million
dollars in an envelope. Oh, well. Oh, it's for
Janet. That's cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't
give it to her when there was a gun held to her
head, but you know. Yeah, but yeah. When he's
leaving, he's going to give it to her. All right.
You go back in the underwear, Jerome. Oh, man.
Just leaving that? Yeah. That's an interesting
choice. I don't need these memories in Santorini.
Right. I got brand new butts to touch. Uh oh.
That's not what you want. His bentingles tingling.
Oh, it's Ogden. Oh, I wonder what he's doing
there. How does he know about Ben? Yeah. Oh man,
no trigger discipline either. Right? Whoa. That's
how you oopsie and blow him away. Yeah. Damn.
Harsh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't just reach into
your pocket when someone's got a gun to your
chest. Now you're the oldest person here somehow.
Oh, OK. Wait, so do they mix him with a dog?
Is that what we're understanding here? Maybe.
Is he dog boy? I'm living in dog years. Woof,
woof. That sucks so bad. Like, that's your mutation.
Yeah. Like, this dude got all spidery and can
swing from buildings. You're just old. I age.
And have the overwhelming urge to sniff people's
buttholes. Oh, man. No, you do. Yeah. Fair. Freedom
of the press. Yeah. His tie looks like spider
eyes to me. Spider eyes. Yeah, yeah, I can see
it. Or a snake. Or a dog. Dog eyes. His name's
Man Spider Spider Man Man. We knew him as Bob.
Man, and it's been, what, five to ten years?
Yeah. Because he hung up the costume five years
ago. We don't know exactly how long he... Was
the spider. I'm going to Santorini. Freckles.
That's his dog name. I go by spot now. Yeah.
Oh, where was your bent angle, man? I know his
bent angle is. Leaves a lot to be desired. Really,
really goes a wire. Oh, well, that's a weird
look. Yeah, I know. What a weird shot. He's like
floating right above the floor to see that. Oh,
it's like spider eyes. Yeah. Now he's going to
be man, spider, spider, man, man, spider himself.
Oh, man. Nightmare on a gurney. Here we come
on a gurney. He's going to a gurney. The episode
names really give it away. They really do. They
do better. Yeah, the last one was called Betrayal
and it was like the last thing that happened.
If I ever make a TV show, my titles are going
to be throwing people way off. Oh, for sure.
It would be hard to see out of those grates on
that mask. Yeah. Just vibing with this theme
song. Mm hmm. Oh, hey, we finally figured out
where that shot was from. Yeah, right. Took him
long enough. Yeah. I don't know that there's
a lot left that we haven't seen in this. Yeah,
no, I think that. That might have been the last
thing. It could be all the pieces of discernible
thing, at least have fallen together. Just in
time. Yeah. For a nightmare on a gurney. No,
no. That makes me uncomfortable. That's fair.
Oh, man. Oh, man. I thought he was being carried
head down. Funk, funk, funk. Man, he did not
have to drag him through that puddle. There was
plenty of room on both sides of that puddle to
walk. Yeah, that felt intentional. Come on, man.
He's like, I'm dragging this. Well, he's a dog,
so. He's got to splash around in the puddle.
He didn't try to go through a door with him facing
it wrong. Yeah. OK, see, now we're using the
comic style to to effect, not. Not little floating
images. Yeah. This kind of stuff I dig. Very
Eric Bana Hulk feel to it. Yeah. I guess that's
Ang Lee Hulk. He's sweaty. Yeah, it's pretty
gross. Yeah. But he smells like rotten chicken.
Oh. Oh, God. You're welcome for that. Oh, she
just called him Robin. Oh, man. Yeah, sure. I
believe people that have me handcuffed to the
bed when they tell me that. Different scenarios.
Well, you know, fair enough. Mr. Spider. That's
my father. She's like a school teacher. Now.
Yeah, there's not a version of any Spider -Man
that wouldn't be able to rip those handcuffs
off of that bed. Yeah. Right. OK, there you go.
They address it. I feel better. He does look
like a scared puppy. She told him to fetch. She
absolutely did. We're going to see that over
and over. Yeah, that's my favorite thing. Good.
So that gross thing bite him over and over again.
Hey, that's Bob. Yeah. Oh. All right. Tony McQuire's
transformation was way more satisfying. Yeah,
right. They don't have a band -aid or nothing
on there. Right out of his hole. Can you imagine
discovering that? That's so gross. Make more
noise, man. Wake everybody up. And yet nobody
has stirred. I guess this is the hospital wing.
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I know Tai Chi. See Tai Chi.
Jesus. He's still in the bed jerking. No, that's
something different. Oh. Well, so it's always
been that way. See, I was thinking that was part
of his old man tingle, like it wasn't working
as good, but no, immediately it was just that.
One would think after this amount of time of
that happening, you would stop touching your
neck when it happens. Yeah. Well, I don't know.
Professor X still touches his temple every time
he does brain stuff. Fair, fair. Maybe that enhances
it. Enhance, enhance. Enhance. That man's face
is scary. Yeah. It's like he's wearing a mask.
He does sound a bit like Tommy Lee Jones from
Captain America. I was thinking that too. That's
him. Same guy. Yeah. A different variant. Don't
you worry. Oh, that was that was a weird cut.
I know they're trying to apply this the same
person. No, that'd be weird. Yeah. Yeah, you're
in the 30s now. Yeah, we got Tommy guns. The
edit just confused you with that man. Yeah. Yeah.
We're being led astray. I can't get over how
sweaty he is from there. It's pretty bad. Yep.
Well, I stuck her in my underwear drawer earlier.
Oh. So Ogden's her kid, yeah? Well, he's not
lost. He's still alive. I know, but she just
said, what if you were losing someone? Yeah.
I guess. Maybe two people. No, could be, could
be. Hit him with a good boy when he gives you
that stuff. Oh, God, I hope she does. Come on.
Give him a treat. She didn't do it. Missed opportunity.
I know. Lame. Oh, man. She ratted her out? Already,
too. Damn. Damn. Well, at least Ogden cares.
He seems to be a decent... He's the best boy.
He's the goodest boy. He's the goodest boy, Ogden.
See, I hear double -fisted microscopes. Check
every hole. Oh, my. He's in bed jerking again.
There he is, yeah. Flip. They've got wrappings
around his... Web shooters. His web hole. I'm
sure that would stop a web. I just won the holes.
That's really messed up. Right? It's not water.
It's vodka. Well, yeah, he's been sitting there
sweating for like however long. Yeah. Yep. He
did save you and the others. Let him out of the
POW. She's spirited. Oh, he's so naive. So I'm
going to need your heart. Yeah. Well, not too
far off. Get one that regenerates. Cut a little
liver off. Yeah. Should have been the lizard.
Windex. Brandon. Would she say to him? I couldn't.
Help me out here. I thought she said cut him
open. Cut him open. So anyway, I just stopped
chopping. Yeah. Her little hallway of horror
there. Right. Degradation. She's. Well, no kidding,
Ogden. OK. All right, Nick, I'm out. It's been
a fun. They couldn't let him eat in this episode.
It's been a fun run. You've descended into madness.
How about ravioli on the gurney? That's what
this should have been called. Ravioli on the
gurney. Good boy, Augie. Well, I don't care for
that. No. What on earth? Oh, that wasn't. Oh,
oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, stop it. Oh, I hate this.
This is awful. Yeah. Everything about it. Yeah.
Well. Yeah. No, thank you. All right. Well, this
has been fun, everyone. Thank you for watching
this episode of Snark Industries. We're signing
off. Oh, no. Again? Same arm? Come on, man. I
know. No. Well, she's in the underwear drawer.
You won't get to look at her. I touched some
other woman's butt last night. Oh, no. Oh, no.
She betrayed me. Oh, no. Weird. Oh, that's it's
going to be a spider ruby. Oh, I hate I hate
dream sequences. OK. That's not as terrifying
as I thought. Well. Oh, that gives the tryptophobia
or whatever that is. Oh. We've got an ant man
now. He's tripping on acid. All right. That was
pretty poor CG. I got to say. How dare you? Mm
hmm. I mean, you did. You got that guy killed
for sure. He probably deserved it. But so. He
did try to save that guy. He didn't try to save
that guy. And that's not what happened. Oh, he
was a spider all along. See? That was from episode
two. Yeah. When she smashed that spider. That
was fun. You got red on you. I need to wipe it
out. Centrifuge. It's ridiculous. I almost did
the same thing. I'm good at this. Yeah, you are.
You are. Nailed it. I'm not a scientist. I don't
know if that looks right or not. I don't think
so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all about that liver.
Not the base. The liver. Oh, look at that. It's
a cure. Just mix their bloods together. No liver
juices. Yeah, I would say he's going to rip his
liver out and stick it in him. Mm hmm. Checks
out. Man, his wrist. Oh, yeah, you can see it.
I was going to say his wrist has got to be all
messed up. Oh, God. Oh. Chafing. Use the force.
That's pretty close. Yeah. Well, now he made
a big mess and there's web everywhere. Yeah.
Well, no, it disintegrates when he wants it to.
Well, OK. Maybe that's it. Maybe. Maybe it's
the amount of concentration he puts in the web.
How long it lasts up in the way web. Go, go,
spider web. No, that didn't work. Oh, we about
to see a King Theoden effect. Wrap it in some
peanut butter so it'll take it better. Nope.
Okay, mom. See, that's what you do with a dog.
See? You distract him. That's what I said. Give
him a shot. Sticking peanut butter. She didn't
do the peanut butter thing. It would have been
better with peanut butter. Oh. Oh. Oh, they're
not going to let us see it? Come on. Oh, okay.
Okay, good. Oh, maybe not. Come on now. They
can't afford to pay for that transformation.
We'll just see the after effect. Oh, that's disappointing.
Come on. Oh, boo. You know, it's always fun to
watch is how those scenes are filmed. Like he
could have been just ducking down below the camera
the first spin around. Yeah. Now stand up. Huzzah.
Yeah. Now see if you can still bark. Oh. He doesn't
have any freckles. I understand. Really good
point. Also. He looks to be the age he was in
the camp. Yeah. So did it completely de -age
him to where he's not going to be aging anymore
or just reset him from there? He's going to be
a baby tomorrow. She just created an immortal.
Immortal Ogden. Yeah. I got what I wanted. It's
time to go. Mm hmm. It's the 30s. Come on. How
hard can it be to disappear? The disappearance,
not the hard part. He's upset that she's doing
it. Well, no, he's going to kill him because.
Yeah, but she's going to kill him because he'll
rat on them. Just like let him go and disappear.
He's a private dick. Go to another country. Go
to Santini. That's right. You know, he's not
going to go anymore. That place is soured. That's,
you know, that's what we're missing. We need
hood ornaments again. Fun fact, I actually have
one on my car. Do you? It's the Autobot symbol
I stuck on there. Hell yeah. Well, there's a
cure for everybody if you guys go see the doctor.
Slow it down a little bit. Weird sand guy anymore.
Although, I don't think Silverman's really...
Looking for. No, he's not. He's not. Oh, man.
Now this is happening again. I like the dance,
though. I like his. I like that he's got the
little open backed hospital gown on, though.
Mm hmm. I mean, see some staple Nick Cage undies.
Mm hmm. Hey, at least they gave us the decency
of giving him some undies. Yeah. Yeah. Just cheeks
out. spider cheeks sun's out buns out yeah what's
happening oh my god so i want to be a i was going
to say a fly on the wall but i want to know the
stage direction for this scene Like, Nick, I
want you to walk down this hall in the weirdest
way you could think of. Tai Chi. It worked. Freckles?
Good boy, Ogden. My bite is gone. Did you just
see how I walked down this hall? Man, that that
red and white car. That's beautiful. I like that.
Yeah. Yeah. Some of those old classics like that
do look good. Mm hmm. Get the little extra tire
just strapped to the side. Remove this door for
me. I like the color of his suit. Yeah. Easy
peas. I mean, they're they're making Tombstone.
Yeah, I mean, that's extremely strong. That is
absurd. Yeah. I know he's strong in the comics,
but I don't know that he's that strong. I just
know he's more durable. Oh, Nick Cage. Freckles.
Gosh, dude, this is why. So aggressive. I don't
know that anyone has ever said freckles that
aggressively. No. Get this man a hot dog to peel
stat. Or to talk on. You never know with this
guy. And open the door. He's chasing his Pulitzer.
Oh. No, this is a different door. Another weird
transition for no reason. Yeah, that was that
was very strange. But he's carrying the newspaper.
Just in there on the mission. Oh. Oh, wait. Maybe
it was on the roof. Yeah, OK, good. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Has been tingle worked. Luckily, not a
single one of those four guys looked up when
they were in that elevator. You know, people
don't look up. Oh, man. A lot of weird Marilyn
Monroe stuff going on there with that fall. Oh.
God. This man. Nope. They couldn't have detoured
and gotten his. Clothes? Nope. Time is of the
essence. Look at how he's got that gun in his
little scrub pocket. Right. Oddly, scrubs not
good for carrying guns. No. Who knew? Yeah. Who'd
have thunk it? It's like they weren't designed
for it. Luckily, she clearly marks her vials.
I was just thinking that would probably be marked
a little differently. Wait, what is that blood
from? I like that. permanent bloodshot eye he's
got making me uncomfortable. Agreed. God. Yeah,
that's a great reaction. He's like, oh shit,
now I feel like an asshole. He does have a conscience.
Liar! It seems to me like she would be the type
to want to have been there for him shooting Ben.
Like not to leave any loose ends. Too trusting
of herself. OK, yeah, you go take care of it.
I'm going to sit up here. Now she was making
more doses of the antidote, which actually is
encouraging, meaning she was intending to give
it to people. Yeah, sure. Or having a case, it
didn't completely work on Ogden. Yeah, in case
Ogden reverted or something. Oh, there you go.
Oh. Is that where your liver is? No. No, I didn't
think so. She just went in the wrong spot. Yeah.
Doctor. Oh. Oh, she wasn't lying. Oh, man. Oh,
no. Well, this is horrifying. Yeah. OK, so out
of that whole group, we're looking at a lot of.
Yeah, most of them. Yeah. A lot of them wiped
out. That's why we don't have to worry about
seeing. Oh, man, he recognized one. Oh, yeah,
that was the praying mantis one. Did you see
the little electrical thing go up Dirk's face?
That was fun. That was cool, yeah. I'll take
my liver, thank you. Oh, no, never mind. Just
taking the sticky. Taking the label so they won't
know it's his. There's an antidote upstairs.
I wrote antidote on the bio. Right. Y 'all should
have just looked around. I mean, she made a breakthrough,
bro. Oh, I guess they don't know that. She said
Ogden died. Man, he is impulsive. Freckles? Freckles?
Oh, dude. Oh, dude. Dude, like for real. Oh.
That man is a liability. He really is. He's a
live wire. I tell you. Yeah. Puns. Oh, no way.
All that. And the good boy dies. No. All because
of. Fat Shakespeare. Unbelievable. Look at that
growl. Growl at me, fool. So imagine the people
going in and recovering the remains after all
this fire. They're going to be like, uh, what
happened here? Why does this guy have a claw?
Pudge and Perry. Throw a toaster at him. What
is happening? Is that man doing dental work on
him? It looked like it, yeah. Everyone, get to
the cars. You parked that car really close to
the place you were planning on blowing up. I
don't think they were planning on blowing it
up. That part was the accident. You don't think
so? Because he electrocuted the gun that fell
into the flammable liquid that just happened
to be on there. Yeah, yeah, I guess. We don't
know that their plan wasn't to... Oh, he got
the antidote. Mmm. So he's obviously not going
to take it. I mean, well, only time will tell.
But for now, we shall see. The deep dive. Indeed.
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New York, 1933. Ben is packing for a new life in Santorini with Cat, unaware she has already given up his identity, when Ogden arrives, drugs him, and drags him to Dr. Faber's hidden laboratory beneath the hospital. There, Ben learns the full scope of Faber's work: she has been trying to save Ogden, secretly her own son, who is aging rapidly as a result of the wartime experiments, and Ben is the only test subject to have survived his transformation without adverse effects. Faber cuts into him to study what makes him different, harvesting tissue that finally yields a working antidote. Ben frees himself as Ogden is cured, but when Faber orders his death, Ogden turns on his mother to save the man who once saved him. Robbie's published exposé brings Silvermane and his powered crew down on the lab, a chaotic confrontation leaves both Faber and Ogden dead, and the whole place erupts in flames. Ben escapes with a vial of the antidote and an uncertain idea of what to do with it, as Silvermane and his men flee the explosion.
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ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Deep
Dive for Snark Industries. We just got finished
watching Nightmare on a Gurney, which is episode
six of Spider Noir. John, why don't you go ahead
and tell us what that was about? Absolutely.
This is the horrifying episode, in case anybody
was wondering. Yeah, the body horror. Yeah, the
body horror episode, which is not something I
was ready for. And I hope everyone enjoyed it
as much as we did, question mark. We start out
at the beginning, sort of a direct continuation
of the last episode, where we've got Ben packing
his bags, ready to go to Santorini with Kat and
live his life happily ever after, not knowing
that she's already betrayed him. And his life
is about to come unraveled. He has his knock
on the door as he's doing so. It is Ogden, and
he grabs a pistol from his drawer and... Just
very haphazardly sticks his finger all up over
the trigger and throws that door open like he's
never held a gun before in his life. Yeah, pretty
bad for a soldier. Yeah, yeah. His trigger discipline
left a lot to be desired. It's Ogden, and he's
come to sort of talk to Ben. Of course, we know
that Ogden knows that Ben is the spider, but
the spider doesn't know that Ogden knows that
he's the spider. So it's a little bit of dramatic
irony. He doesn't know that you know that I know
that. So they sit down and have a talk, and basically
Ogden is, you don't remember me, do you? And
he's like, from yesterday? And, you know, of
course, Nick. being Nick, as usual, and sort
of reveals that, you know, he was there at the
prisoner camp and, you know, Ben had helped him
once before and sort of hinted, not super directly,
but directly enough, like, I know who you are,
but he didn't say it outright, that he knew about
Ben's secret identity and his powers and just
basically said, hey, you helped us once before.
You're a good person. Come help us again. In
which case, Ben said, of course, that's what
heroes do. No, wait, that's not what he said.
He said, no, I'm leaving to Santorini with my
girlfriend. Get screwed, old man. And so long
story short, Ogden drugs him, knocks him out
and drags him down the steps and through a puddle
back to Faber's horror laboratory that is under
the hospital. It seems like if I can interject,
we find out during that conversation that Ogden's
aging. at about the speed of a dog. Yes, we did.
And I was, I realized that I didn't mention that
as it happened, but I was going to, but yes,
thank you for keeping me honest on this thing.
But yeah, we do realize that Ogden is the best
boy Ogden, AKA has got injected with dogwood.
We've made a lot of good dog jokes in the watch
party. You guys are missing out if you're not
going to go take part of that, but. Yes, we do
find that out in that conversation as well, that
he is aging. That's why he's such an old man
now. It's funny that, you know, he's like, I
was there at the war. And Ben says, the Civil
War? Like this, man, terrible clap. But yeah,
so he explains why he's so much older, but was
there, which was confusing to me too last time.
I don't remember seeing an old man there, but
it did make sense now that they kind of explained
it. So yes, we did find that out. And then he
drugs him and then he drags him down the stairs
and through the puddle and to his, or to Faber's.
horror laboratory. Ben wakes up strapped to a
gurney, drugged out of his mind, unable to rip
free of these handcuffs because of it, and has
a conversation with Faber, who is going to study
him because he is the only person who went through
these changes from this experiment that happened
back at this camp that is not suffering any adverse
effects. And as they're kind of having this discussion
and everything else, She reveals that this is
such an important task to her because Ogden is
actually her own son who is growing old and dying
before her eyes. And it is of utmost importance
to her to save him. And she's going to do so
by any means necessary, because that doesn't
sound like the work of a psychopath. But anyway,
she starts out pretty simple, you know, standard
stuff, just taking his blood. Nothing too crazy
there, minus the, you know, unwillful imprisonment
and everything. But ultimately is unable to draw
any conclusions based on what she's, you know,
his blood cells all look normal. What do you
do in these dire circumstances? So you start
cutting. So she wheels him down to an operating
room and takes bits and pieces of some of his
bits and pieces. I think most importantly. Oh,
that makes it sound so wrong. I know it does.
It was very on purpose. Most importantly, and
we'll find out that his liver, which I had the
foresight to know was the best thing to find
as we were watching, fun enough. But take some
of those things. And as he's doing so, we see,
or as she's doing this, we see this truly horrific
sort of string of scenes where there's spiders
like crawling out of his open holes. And like,
you know, she's the man spider for a second.
And then there's a, you know, he's grabbing stuff
and it's turning into other stuff. And it's,
you know, it's truly, truly a horrifying. It's
body horror. Few minutes. Yeah. I mean, they
went full tilt into this sort of specific genre,
which feels out of place here, if I'm honest.
But this is what they decided to go with. And
obviously with them leaning into this origin
story for this Spider -Man being the man spider,
Spider -Man, man spider. I guess it makes a little
sense, but that's either here or there. She takes
the bits and pieces and studies them. And as
she's doing so, finds that whatever is there
in his liver, she mixes it with Ogden's blood
and the cells attacked Ogden's mutations. They
are seemingly healing them right on there on
the spot in this Petri dish under the microscope.
And so she begins to work on concocting an antidote
out of this. Meanwhile, Ben. Still drugged in
a day, strapped to a gurney in another room,
is trying his absolute damnedest to get out of
this situation. And ultimately, after a couple
of swings and misses and randomly jerking on
those handcuffs 10 million times to no avail,
is able to web up the keys, which they very smartly
left in the room right beside him. That's the
best place to keep keys for your prisoners. Yeah.
Yeah. And is able to free himself as she has
concocted this antidote. Gives it to Ogden, who
before our very eyes, though, off camera, because
CGI is expensive, man, becomes the version of
himself once again. She's happy. She's done it.
And now they can go start their lives together.
But first, there's an important bit of business
to take care of. And that's killing Ben for some
reason. Kill the spider. So this this idea that,
you know, and I have to go back on what I saw
last time of her. Kind of being a misunderstood,
but ultimately a good person trying to legitimately
help people. Turns out that she's kind of for
a selfish reason and also kind of not a nice
person at all. Because now that she's done it,
she just wants to kill Ben for literally no reason.
Even after she's already promised Kat that she
wouldn't. Yeah, Ogden very much stepped into
that role. And Ogden, yeah, you're exactly right.
Ogden steps up to her and says, listen, after
everything that's happened, at least let me do
it. Let me go handle him. And, you know, that
way it's all said and done. So he grabs the gun
and goes downstairs to take care of Ben. Meanwhile,
she seems to sit down and begins working on another
antidote. It's not super clear what her intentions
are, because I don't think that it's necessarily
to continue to help other people. She seems very
much to be happy to take her son and just go.
It could be another dose in case he gets some
side effects later, or it could be maybe she
was having a... Bit of a nice thought process
here? Question mark? Not clear. But we jump downstairs
and Ogden confronts Ben, who is free and getting
ready to escape from downstairs and, you know,
goes to shoot him. Walking down the hallway very,
very oddly. Well, that hadn't happened yet. He
walks down the hallway when he gets to the elevator
door. The elevator door opens and yeah. And he's
there. It's, yeah, the weirdest walk down the
hall ever. If you don't watch any other part
of this episode, look up the walking down the
hall scene, because that was a real treat for
the absurdity level. But ultimately says, hey,
you saved my life. I want to try to save yours.
Ogden is showing that even after all that happened
and his mother clearly is the psycho that Ben
assumed that she was, Ogden is going to try his
best to do the right thing. So they get in the
elevator to leave so he can get Ben out of there.
And as they do so, it's kind of off camera. What's
been going on during this time is Robbie runs
the story on all the information that they had
gathered on Faber. Front page news is the location
of this sort of crazy murder lab that they call.
Which is kind of wild. Yeah. Which, yeah, put
in the address. Wild work, Robbie. Yeah. So he
runs that story. And of course, because of that.
Silvermane is interested, and he and his Sinister
Three are en route. And so they arrive just as
Ben and Ogden are leaving, walking in the building.
They both stick to the roof of the elevator.
Luckily, bad guys don't know how to look up.
Something in their neck muscles, maybe. They
don't see them up there, and they go in to see
kind of what's going on, confronting Faber in
her lab. And basically says, I want to see these
monsters, these other, ultimately the other soldiers,
the friends of these three that were there in
their prison or war camp and everything else
that we had seen from previous episodes. And
she takes them down below to do that. While Ben
and Ogden decide to split up, Ben going to the
original lab where Faber was working on the antidote,
where his clothes and everything were. And Ogden
goes and tries to help his mother. And as they
get down there. We see once again, this body
horror scene of all these like big vats of weird
mutated people that are dead, just floating in
the liquid for some reason. You know, she tries
to convince everybody that, no, I was trying
to help them. The technology just hadn't came
far enough yet, but I actually have figured it
out now. I can help you. Once again, not clear
if the antidote she was working on before was
for this purpose or if it was just an opportune
moment to, you know. Sharing said antidote with
them at this point would be self -serving. In
either case, they don't really believe her. And
we see kind of the live wire, as I said, of the
watch party megawatt kind of go off the handle
and sort of attack her. Ogden shows up, shoots
him once, not fatally. Didn't really even seem
to affect him. Yeah, not much at all. Yeah, very
clearly. Yeah, I don't know if that's part and
parcel of his powers. We see Lonnie kind of jump
in front of him, who I say should be able to
absorb some bullets. But yeah, the shot that
did hit Megawatt didn't seem to do anything,
strangely enough. But this sort of brief fight.
It kind of breaks out, and ultimately, at the
end of the day, both Ogden and Dr. Faber are
killed in this exchange, and the lab itself is
caught on fire because megawatts of electricity
powers hit this gun, which then fell into this
puddle of flammable liquid that's just on the
floor for some reason. Yeah, that confused me.
Everything goes up in flames. Who left the gas
on the ground? Yeah, right. Where's the janitor?
So as everything's kind of going up in smoke,
we see Dr. Faber and Ogden sort of laying side
by side after all that work and all that time
and being able to revert his condition and seeing
Ogden ultimately make a good decision to not
only save Ben, but to go back and try to save
her, too. Ultimately, a good man, maybe moral
compass. Most north out of anybody in the show
so far, really. For real. Because even Ben's
got some questionable stuff that he's doing.
Yeah, right. Blackmail. Yeah, we've seen some
stuff. He's got a man killed. Anyway, so we see
them kind of laying side by side as everything
kind of goes up in smoke. Ben gets outside and
he sneaks past a couple of other, the lowly.
unpowered goons of silver manes that are standing
by the cars. That's right. Doing dental work
or something. Doing dental work randomly. And
we see him reach in his pocket and pull out this
vial of this antidote. And we know from previous
episodes that he's looking to sort of get rid
of this power, but is that a good idea now? His,
you know, his, his lifelong. His life dream of
going to Santorini with Kat now seems to have
gone up in smoke like this lab did. His 12 -hour
long dream. Yeah, his one -day dream. So not
clear what he's going to do with it, but he does
have it. And just in the nick of time before
this huge explosion happened that engulfs this
entire area, Michael Bay style, Silvermane and
the goons get in the car and everyone drives
away. And that is what happened in episode six.
Man, you made that sound a lot more exciting
than I thought you were going to be able to.
It was pretty exciting. I'm a pretty exciting
guy. I've always said that. No, for sure. For
sure. But yeah, in terms of science in the MCU,
we say it every time for continuity's sake, but
it's the same kind of story here. A universe
within a universe, not only being a Sony production,
but also being a standalone universe within the
Sony universe itself. This doesn't have any tie
-ins whatsoever. to the mcu at large outside
of just familiar characters some familiar stories
and things like that and kind of on that same
token i guess we'll kick it over to you too for
any sort of comic book references and of course
any easter eggs and fun stuff that we saw during
the episode yeah there wasn't a ton that i saw
but in the research between our watch party and
deep dive i did find a few things that were kind
of fun of course we've got ben reilly thinking
about walking away wanting to get rid of the
powers that's very much from the comics not necessarily
ben reilly But from Peter Parker, there was a
run called Spider -Man No More. The Amazing Spider
-Man number 50 in 1967, where he talks about
walking away from his hero life and actually
does so. So it was a very good nod to that. We've
also got it might be a little bit of a stretch,
but Ben Reilly being on the dissection table.
For those that know where Ben Reilly came from,
he is supposedly there is some debate. I personally
think that Ben Reilly is the original Spider
-Man, but we won't go there. During the Clone
Saga, Ben Reilly is considered a clone and is
made by the Jackal, Miles Warren. And so him
being on the operating table is kind of, I would
imagine, something of an homage to that. But
going off of classic Easter eggs and things like
that, it's kind of cool to see Ogden in this
role because he is a classic horror. Actor this
is definitely the most horror oriented episode
to this point and to have somebody from Hellraiser
and child's play and things like that. It just
feels really fitting It's kind of like when Sam
Raimi did spider -man 2 and there was that whole
scene with Doc Ock and arms and everything just
felt like it fits the the genre very well, but
other than that no major comic book tie -ins
that I could really find. Uh, nothing, nothing
that really screamed stood out of me. And folks,
if you find something that we didn't come on
over to the discord and discuss, I'd love to
know about it. But, uh, beyond that, what'd you
think? Yeah. So minus the, and I'm going to kind
of preface this here, uh, by doing a little,
a little side arc. I don't like body horror.
I've never liked it. It's not something, it's
not a genre that I enjoy. And so because of that,
I didn't super love this episode from that perspective,
which was honestly a not insignificant portion
of the episode was seeing this various things,
watching that tarantula like pop up on his face
from the face mask. I was I was I was ready to
leave the room. I mean, it was I was like, no,
stop. So I'm not I'm not a big fan of that genre
or that type of that type of. You know, entertainment,
a lot of people are. And I don't want to say
that in a way to to sort of deter people from
watching it. If that's something that you're
into, just be prepared for it. And for me personally,
I didn't care for that. But as the story was
not prepared. Yeah, yeah, correct. But as a story
at large, it continues to be good. I liked that
we got to see, like I said, you know, as I was
kind of going through the synopsis, really what
I think is probably the most moral North character
that we've run into in Ogden. Yeah. Where, you
know, he's got honor and integrity and, you know,
he's, you know, even going against his own mother
who just spent the last, I think they said 15
years trying to fix him and ultimately succeeding
in doing so. But ultimately going against her
to free Ben because it was the right thing to
do. You know, no other reason than that. I really,
I really like that. Never mind that he is the
reason he was there in the first place. Well,
yes. You're absolutely right. But he did think
that there was going to be a life beyond that
for Ben. Yeah, he didn't. Yeah, he didn't realize.
And I don't think I think he was truly shocked.
And you could kind of see it on his face. Oh,
absolutely. When she said to kill him that that's
not what he expected to happen. I think that
he's, you know, because Ben said, you know, when
he was laying in the bed there talking to Ogden,
when he was letting him sip that water. That,
you know, that she was basically a psycho. And
he was like, no, she's, you know, she's cool.
That's my mama. She's just trying to help. You
know, but then she's like, kill him. And he's
like, well, hold on now. Maybe he was right.
So, you know. Hang on. But to see that kind of
come up from a character that really was nothing.
I mean, Ogden seems, you know, made up for this
show specifically, as far as I can tell. Yeah.
And so to see that come through and to have that
be here. I don't mind the antiheroes as a genre.
kind of thing with these morally questionable
choices, but it feels weird for Spider -Man.
Yeah. And so it's nice to have a character in
here that's not that. And even if it was, I think
very tragically that he died because of it, you
know, he went back to save his mommy after all
the things that had happened and, and lost his
own life because of it. Even after having to
do all this stuff to just have saved it with
this, with this thing that he got this, this
antidote that he received. Yeah, second chance
on life, and then he wastes it. Yeah, gone in
15 minutes. Crazy. But like I said, as an overall
story arc, I'm still really enjoying it. I want
to know what happens next in terms of everything
that's happening. We've got the goon squad going,
but Ben does have an antidote now. I wonder if
he can use that as a kind of a bargaining chip
for maybe at least one of the bad guys. To to
take, you know, I think Lonnie is probably the
best candidate in my mind to be like, hey, man,
you know, 100 percent. I don't think you're really
a bad person at heart. I actually have this endo.
You saw that Ogden was young. This works, you
know. And yeah, absolutely. Because him having
to to do battle with all three of those and Silverman,
too, is, you know, not a pushover. I wouldn't
imagine his own right, even if he is an old man
and everything, depending on what they do with
him. Maybe he's just meant to be kind of the
leader, but still. Well, I mean, in the comics.
He's he's nothing to be messed with. Exactly.
Enhanced and everything. Obviously, they're not
going this direction with him, but. Right. That's
what I mean. So, yeah, he's no joke. And that's
kind of what I mean. Like, you know, potentially
is is, you know, a problem in his own right and
everything else. So to see how, you know, then
can. sort of tip the scales in his favor. Cause
I think, especially with all of his old man status
going on and after all this stuff that happened
to him with, you know, half of his liver's gone
down, that walk down the hallway is so crazy,
you know, to see him trying to take on all four
of those guys, plus any other goons that Silvermane
may have seems like a Herculean task, but boy,
I'm intrigued to see how he does it, you know?
So definitely some speculation there, but yeah,
like the episode, continue to like the series.
How about yourself? Loved it. Thought it was
a lot of fun. I, despite my reactions during
the body horror moments, I actually like that
kind of stuff. I think it's fascinating. I think
it's, it's really, I mean, I just add a different
kind of entertainment. I mean, we just watched
the substance not too long ago, which if you
don't like body horror, stay away. But I really
eat that kind of stuff up. I think it's fascinating.
The, the fly that, I mean, Give it to me. I'm
all about it. Yes, I will squirm and little freak
out while it's happening. But retroactively,
I love it. It's it's a ton of fun for me. So
I thought that the horror element that was installed
in this episode was absolutely fantastic. I thought
I had a lot of fun with it. And to find, as you
said, Ogden with that, that really true North
character was kind of refreshing in this this
show because it's been full of characters that
are. I mean, even Ben, Janet, Robbie, everyone
is very much me, me, me looking out for themselves
and willing to bend their morals a bit. And Ogden
seemed very straightforward. Again, despite the
fact that he was the reason Ben was there in
the first place. But I liked him as a character
and I'm very sad to see him perish in this episode.
I think he could have been. fun ally for Ben
but I don't know where he would fit in the story
but regardless sad to see him go and as you mentioned
I am really curious to see where he goes with
this antidote situation because you've got like
you said the bargaining chip or I mean you could
weaponize it you can try to take these take something
into a battle and depower these characters as
you're fighting them I think that tombstone Lonnie
might be willing to take it on his own Flint
maybe because a cat Maybe Dirk. No, no, he's
not taking it. He's going to be a problem. Yeah.
Yeah. He's ultimately, he's the one that likes
killed everybody. Yeah. You know, the thing.
Yeah. Yeah. And I will say, and this is, you
know, and, and, you know, fans of comic books
and these types of stories will know this too.
You know, we say that we, so we're sad to see
Ogden go. And I definitely agree with that sentiment.
However, dot, dot, dot. Is he gone? Yes. This
is a man that just received. Some kind of enhancement
by way of Ben's liver. So, yeah, you know, it's
I'm curious to see if that somehow comes into
play, because, you know, we do see him laying
there with his mother, you know, as this thing
explodes. But is he really gone? Maybe. And maybe,
you know, we did get a good send off, as we discussed
here this episode, or maybe we'll see him again.
Only time shall tell. Let him die pure. Who knows?
Yeah. But yeah, all in all, loved it. That was
a really, really solid entry. I really appreciate
that we got. We got a bit more of his background,
a bit more of the platoon itself. And again,
I got a hammer on. I'm really curious to see
who else is going to come from that. We did see
a lot of those characters dead, though. I mean,
the last deep dive, I did speculate. That horror
lab was absolutely full of bodies. Oh, man. Yeah,
we saw the praying mantis. We saw a number of
the animals that we had seen. in the experiments
in that room. So it definitely took a big chunk
of those characters off the table. So it's certainly
not the same pool that we had speculated or I
had speculated last episode, but it is it is
still intriguing because there's definitely still
enough out there to make more of a story. So
very curious to see what that is going to do
in the future. But otherwise, I'm happy. I cannot
wait for the last two episodes and looking forward
to seeing them. So let's get to it. Two episodes
ago, and we look forward to seeing with all of
you. Yeah, see you there. Thank you for joining
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Snark Industries takes on Spider-Noir's sixth entry, the show's full lurch into body horror, and one host is far more here for it than the other. The full plot gets walked through, from Ogden drugging and abducting Ben, to Dr. Faber's grisly experiments in her hidden laboratory, to the tragic deaths of both Faber and her son as the lab goes up in flames. The larger threads keep moving underneath the horror, with Robbie's front-page story drawing Silvermane and his powered enforcers to the scene and Ben walking away with an antidote that could change the fight ahead. The hosts single out Ogden as perhaps the most morally upright character the series has offered so far, and spend real time on the tragedy of him earning a second chance at life only to lose it minutes later. Personal thoughts split along genre lines, with one host squeamish about the body horror and the other delighted by it, but both remain fully invested in the story and eager for the final two episodes.
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Synopsis
With his bags packed and a new life waiting, Ben answers a knock to find Ogden, Dr. Faber's assistant, on his doorstep. Ogden confesses that he too was a prisoner in that German camp, one of the men Ben saved. That the same experiment which gave Ben his powers is now aging him to death by the year. He begs Ben to let Faber study him for a cure. Ben simply refuses. Even sharing the fact that he was The Spider openly. As Ogden goes to leave, he stabs Ben with a needle as they shake hands. Ben wakes strapped to a gurney in a hidden laboratory, where Faber tells him she is nothing like the men who tried to forge a weapon out of broken soldiers. She is a mother. Ogden is her son, and she will carve whatever she needs out of Ben to save him. She also tells him, without flinching, that it was Cat who gave him up.
As Faber draws his blood and harvests his tissue, Ben sinks into a churning fever of memory and nightmare, back to the days when his own body first turned against him and army doctors probed him like a specimen. Deep in his liver, Faber finds what she has chased all along: a substance that, when mixed with the dying veterans' blood, stabilizes the mutation and reverts it back to its original form. She injects Ogden, and her son sheds his stolen years in an instant. Their triumph curdles the moment Ogden grasps that his mother means to kill Ben to bury the evidence. He takes the gun to do it himself. Meanwhile, having freed himself via a well aimed shot from his web (following numerous attempts), Ben meets Ogden at the elevator and is given a second chance at life. Ogden, for all his mistakes, turns out to be a truly good man and, against his mother’s wishes, lets Ben go free. Unfortunately, before he is able to, Silvermane and his crew force their way in to seize Faber's work for themselves. Ogden heads back into danger to save his mother and sadly perishes due to the choice, leaving Ben holding a cure that could finally make him an ordinary man, if he is willing to stop being the Spider.
Reality Designation
This story takes place outside the main Marvel continuity: SI-002
Reality numbers are Marvel's official designations.
Where a universe has no official number we follow the Marvel Database and use its Temporary Reality Number (TRN-1092). Where there is neither — official or temporary — at the time we watch it, we assign a Snark Industries number of our own (SI-001).
Characters in the Episode
Arrives with his crew at the climax to seize Faber's research for himself. Ends up leaving the lab in flames.
Milestone: Killed by Dirk Leyden
Revealed as Ogden's mother. Holds Ben captive and harvests his genetic material, finds the glowing matter that stabilizes the mutations, and resolves to kill Ben to cover her tracks.
Kills in this episode: 2
Part of Silvermane's coalition closing in on Faber's work. Becomes a liability when he starts advancing on Dr. Faber. Is shot, kills both Faber and Ogden, and is the reason the lab caught fire.
Part of Silvermane's crew storming the lab. Jumps in to protect Dirk after the first shot is fired by Ogden.
Part of Silvermane's crew storming the lab. Recognizes some of the mutated, deceased soldiers as friends.
Milestone: Regained his youth
Milestone: Killed by Dirk Leyden
Faber's son and assistant, a rapidly aging veteran Ben once freed. Drugs Ben, is restored to his younger self by his mother's cure, then frees Ben rather than let her kill him.
Seen outside of the lab doing some sort of dentistry to Pudge.
Seen outside of the lab receiving some sort of dentistry from Perry.
Milestone: Acquires the Antidote
Drugged by Ogden and held captive in Faber's lab, where his blood and tissue are harvested. Endures a fever of nightmares and works his way toward escape, ending in possession of a possible cure.
In-Universe Date
The action opens directly after Cat's betrayal, which occurs on the evening of the 20th.
Days counted after date displayed on screen in Episode 1.
Comic Roots
Where the episode's people and places come from on the page.
The chapter ends with Ben holding a cure that could strip his powers and hand him an ordinary life, the sharpest form yet of a question that has haunted Spider-Man since the beginning. The definitive comics version is "Spider-Man No More!" in The Amazing Spider-Man #50 (1967) by Stan Lee and John Romita Sr., where a weary Peter Parker dumps his costume in a trash can and tries to quit. The series hands that same exhausted longing to a man who has already spent years wishing the bite had never happened.
There is a grim irony in watching this Ben Reilly strapped down while a scientist harvests his genetic material. In mainstream comics, the name Ben Reilly belongs to a clone grown from Peter Parker's harvested genetics by the obsessive geneticist Miles Warren, the Jackal, the engine of the sprawling Clone Saga. The series is unrelated in plot, but the image of a Ben Reilly reduced to genetic raw material lands as an accidental echo of the character's comics DNA.
Recommended Reading
Where to go next if the episode left you wanting more.
"Spider-Man No More!", the definitive story of the hero trying to give up the mask, the question Ben faces at the chapter's end.
The first appearance of the comics' Ben Reilly and the Jackal's cloning scheme, useful context for the genetic-harvesting resonance here.
A great read if you're enjoying the Spider-Noir show in general. Plus, the art is BEAUTIFUL!
The Snark File
Easter eggs, callbacks and technical tidbits.
A Horror Icon Stops in on The Spiderverse
Ogden is played by Andrew Robinson, long associated with genre and horror through roles such as the killer Scorpio in Dirty Harry and Larry in Hellraiser, casting that lands with extra weight in the show's body-horror chapter.
An Homage to The Scarlet Spider
Ben Reilly strapped to a lab table while his genetic material is extracted plays as a nod to the comics, where the original Ben Reilly is a clone built from stolen Parker genetics during the Clone Saga.