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of Snark Industries. Good to see all the other

IPs getting their hands on some stuff. Yeah,

right? We don't get to listen to the bam, bam,

bam, bam. But we can see the Prime. I love that

you can switch back and forth between color.

That's rad. Oh, yeah, I guess the Spider -Verse

would still be... What a weird licensing thing.

Mm -hmm. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. I'm already upset.

Upset? Man, I'm excited. Are you kidding me?

This is starting not too dissimilar from from

the first Sam Raimi. Oh, what's happening on

the screen is cool. I just have a particular

distaste for Nick Cage. Oh. This is yet another

character that's going to be multiple personas

within the MCU. Yeah, three, because he is Spider

Noir in. Spider -Verse, but it's a different

character. That's Peter Parker. This has been

Riley. Oh. You know, I didn't think I realized

that we're learning stuff together. What a great

time. The spider. Oh, man, that voice. Yeah.

Oh, we got your Tommy guns. Yeah, my Tommy gun

don't. Man, you're getting more of your fix than

you thought you would. I know. But then they'll

be gone forever. So I enjoy it while I can. Yeah,

right. Oh. A little pop of color. Kind of curious

to watch this in black and white. Wow. I'm sure

it was filmed with intent. One would think. Well,

now that's there and it's just going to be stolen.

I hope you didn't spend a lot on that. Yeah.

Well, we cred in that to Ruby, not Ben. Well,

I guess he has been weird. Spiderception. I'm

not going to lie, man. It's hard to look at him

and see Spider -Man. I know, right? That's what

I was getting at earlier. And you like shamed

me for it. That's fine. I'll take the shame.

I'll take the shame. I can shoulder this shame.

Oh, there we go. I like this. Yeah. Shout out

to Tony Stark for really revolutionizing the

through the front of the mask view for the heroes.

Yeah, yeah, right. Ever since he did that, everyone

does that now. Well, not everyone, but you know.

Oh man, that guy was actually half. Like half

his face was spider. That was kind of messed

up. Man spider or something. Question mark. I

mean, I'd love to see it. Let's see some cameos,

some Easter eggs. That's what we're here for.

Dude. Dude, I want to see like the man spider

and doppelganger and stuff like that. Yes. Give

us some weird ones. I want to see the bizarre

stuff. Spider verse could take us there. That's

true. Oh, Phil Lord and Christopher Miller were

actually executive producers. That's great. Man,

that is interesting. Those are both comic writers.

Yeah. I love that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Shane. Yeah,

Shane. Oh, man. I'm kind of excited and a little

apprehensive about this, if I'm honest. It is

fun that, after all, going through the old content,

really, we're getting brand new content in the

timeline. Yeah, brand new old content. Love it.

Yeah, brand new old content. That's right. When

you just openly smoked in places, what a time

to be alive. I mean, for many, many, many years

to follow, too. That's fair. Hell, I remember

when you could choose smoking or non -smoking

on an airplane like it mattered. Yeah. We're

all getting it, but you go sit up there. That's

fine. Oh, man. Oh, God. Thank you. Back when

he's not moving through the street like Spider

-Man would. Big of a problem. Well, that's because

he's an old man. That's about how I would move

through the street, too, to be fair. Yeah. Oh,

man. Is Peter tingled? Oh, come on. And that

takes out Spider -Man. I love he was like 10

feet away. He decided to go run back into his

car, sit down, peel off rather than just chase

him. Well, I mean, he was a he looked like a

bit of a heavier man. I'm not a runner. Which

way? I'm pretty sure that's the back lot in Hollywood

Studios. This oil company is Standard. Hmm. Yeah,

people really had no creativity back then. No.

This is the Standard Oil Company. What should

we call it? Standard. Ah, yes. That'll show them.

We got the Spidey Sense. Well, it didn't work

just a minute ago, and now it's just mildly annoying

him. Yeah, right? Yeah, where was that when the

door was coming at you? Oh. Hey. Fire. Fire.

I feel like you could throw a lot of clothes.

Yeah. Yeah, bro, what'd you expect? You're not

bulletproof. I mean, presumably. Maybe. I don't

know that, I guess. Unfortunately, he shot up

at the Standard Oil Company. Directed by Michael

Bay. Let's see, where can we put them where we

can get an explosion? Are you jacking him? Oh,

man, you taking the dollar bills out of that

man's wallet? He's got three dollars in 1933.

A million dollars, I think. I'm pretty sure you

could buy a whole bar for $3 back in the day.

Yeah, I actually just looked it up. That would

be about $70 in today's money. Well, how about

that? Isn't that ridiculous? Maybe you couldn't

buy a whole bar. Yeah, that is ridiculous. Yeah,

so $30 that he was offered is about $700. It's

pretty upsetting. Oh, my goodness. Lady. Wow.

This is her. Oh, he's sharp. He's saying she's

too hot for you. Pictures of Spider -Man. I don't

trust him. Highly suspect. More like a stalker

with money. Oh, wow. What a weird handshake.

He thought so, too. It was loose and fast. Those

are two things you don't want in a handshake.

Yeah, see? See, man, if you're watching this

in black and white, you are missing this man's

fine suit. Look at that. I know. That is fire.

That's like a legitimate guy, too. That dude

almost ran him over. That guy was not even thinking

about stopping. Maybe he couldn't see the orange

suit. He was watching in black and white. Diner.

Oh, hey, that's Brendan Gleeson. Gravitas. What

is a used pickle? What did you use it for, Ben?

Yes. These are the questions that he answered.

I need a hero. Oh, this is... Well. Oh, got him.

Slow look up. Oh, man, she drowned in a car.

That's terrible. Yeah. Handcuffed to the steering

wheel. What's up with that? Well, I just don't

think that's true. You know, honestly, I'm I'm

going to say that was probably some of the best

acting I've ever seen Nick Cage do. Give the

man his credit. Right? Wow. A crime has been

committed. That was like $1 ,000. There you do.

You never take algebra. I'm glad that we got

away from everyone just having a molest stash

instead of beard or nothing. Every person. Yeah.

Hot off the presses. How wild were newspapers?

Just sit here and read this. Yeah, we've been

watching through. I love Lucy and Ricky is always

reading a newspaper and it's like, God, that

is just a constant. It's like our phones. Yeah,

that's what I said. The original iPhone newspaper.

Got him calling you out. Oh, man, my ass would

hurt on those stairs after that long. My ass

hurts just watching. Seriously. Oh. The no -tell

motel. Got her. Man, that's got to have one heck

of a zoom. Enhance, enhance, enhance. You couldn't

do that anymore. Just give away what floor they

go to. Right. They probably change it for a reason.

Yeah. This guy specifically. This is the turning

point for elevators everywhere. This creeper.

This stalker hired a stalker. If only you could

just scale that wall. What he's doing right now.

What is he doing right now? I need an adult.

He decided to take that one for his homework

folder. That's for later. Yeah. See, he's not

acting like he's got spider powers. Like, not

only could he climb that wall, but sure, he's

not using his powers. But come on, what? Why

is he winded? What is that? He's an old man.

Yeah. I guess we're getting the retired spider.

Yeah. Spider geriatric. Just open the door. See,

this is that stealth thing again that I say nobody

on Earth wouldn't notice their door open. Yeah,

OK. That guy's so bald. And he also took a picture

with the opposite side of the camera a moment

ago. Oh. Oh. So he's got his shooters on or see

one of the Tobey Maguire all natural webs. No,

he's organic. All natural. Oh, at least Parker

was in the comics. I don't I don't know about

Ben, I suppose. I can't keep up with all the

different spider. What they tell you when it

comes to Spider -Man and X -Men. I got you. These

are my my domains. That's why I keep you around.

Oh, that's the dude from Inception. Whoa, that's

a jump. Yeah. Hashtag inflation. Plug you. Wow.

She is overtly sexual. And she is pointing it

directly at Ben, too. I mean, look at that. Yeah,

I wouldn't fire. He's going to catch a stray

there. Yeah. Man. I love the way cars were designed.

Back then, look at those things. Back in my day,

yeah, and they all look the same. Well, I mean,

that's true. But I like the design. That's just

a two -seater. They really do all look the same

when you can't tell the difference between a

four -seater and a two -seater. Well. Oh, yep.

Incognito mode. Pull your hat down an inch or

two. Okay. Ominous. Reminds me of Harry Potter

when Draco and Well, I guess it was Snape and

Harry. Well. He does spoiler. Mm hmm. Well. Bring

it back from the grave. Mm hmm. Find him in the

morgue. Can I believe that you got your tie tucked

into your shirt? Right. I thought we were going

short ties again for a second. I think it's still

short, but it's also tucked into a fold of his

shirt. Yeah, it is. Pretty awful. I feel like

he's not going to make it very long. Oh, I know.

He's got $3 in his wallet. And go a long way

back then, man. Long way. Red light. Oh, she's

doing photo stuff. Let's calm down. Well, after

she said what she said earlier. Oh, God. See,

there's that again. They couldn't help it. Oh,

the plot thickens. Yeah. As I looked through

it with my magnifying glass. Enhance, enhance.

The original enhance. Yeah. If that thing drove

past my house, I would be so mad. Yeah, right.

It's a truck with a big speaker just barking.

Oh man, the look on her face. Yeah. He's about

to get it. It's called his Peter tingle. Or at

least it's his Ben tingle. Oh, doesn't get better.

Yeah, no. It's a gift that keeps on giving. Don't

drink my drink. Oh, I thought there was alcohol

or something in it. Maybe there is. I mean. What

is happening? They are blackmailing. No, no,

I understand. Oh, OK. Gotcha. I just don't know

how I feel about it. That man's suit, dude. I

mean, that is fire. Yeah. Cat Hardy. So the black

cat and Felicia Hardy. Maybe interesting or an

actual plug. Yeah, I'm not sure. Or can we can

take. So far, we are nowhere near the comic series.

See, Felicia was a character in the comic. And

she was the owner of the Black Cat Lounge. So

not too far off. Ew. I see that man's crusty

foot. I was going to say he's a terrible actor,

but I wasn't sure if that was Ben or Nick Cage.

Tell him I need to party. Yeah. I'm getting my

dance on tonight. Man, I love the way people

dress back then. I'd so much prefer it. I'm hot

just thinking about it. One would assume that's

a little chilly in the air. Otherwise, all these

people would be drenched in sweat. So I think

everyone was just drenched in sweat. God, imagine

the smell. Here's a nickel. Here's two nickels.

Oh, man. What did you expect? She's a headliner,

dude. Nice voice. He's like, whoa. Boy, those

are some eyelashes. Yeah. I think she went a

little overboard. I think they're trying to be

like the cat eyes. Just a little something. Yes.

Excuse me, miss. You have something in your hair.

It's spiky. All right. Well, now you're being

weird. Yeah, right. Yeah, everyone else is listening.

He's slowly walking towards the stage and raptured.

Yeah. She does have a beautiful voice. What do

you expect? She's a headliner. See, that's how

that feels. Hey, it wasn't toward you, it was

toward Ben. It's fair, it's fair. getting intense

here. I know. She's singing to you. The weird

hand movement thing. I don't know that I like

her. dancing a little stop moving just saying

dancing moving around is fine but her little

hand motions are a little uh i don't know i've

got a good picture of you sitting in the audience

sweating from all your attire and heckling her

about dancing it's canon see me in the audience

move less Would you hold still? Oh, so his spider

sense goes off even when there's someone dangerous

nearby. Interesting. Not when he's in danger.

But then he got hit by a car door and didn't

know. Yeah. It's called plot convenience. No.

The Bentangle works when it wants to. Stop calling

it the Ben Dingle. Hit him with that rotary phone.

He's not within 10 feet of his phone. That's

that's what. He's anywhere else other than the

phone room. Yeah, right. Donegal's dead. That

guy looks like a, like Will Porter in like 30

years. Ew. Ah. That was pretty rough. Fortune

favors the bold. Yeah. Not so much. Well there

is. Oh, there it is. That was pretty, pretty

graphic. It was. Maybe 30 years is a little.

Not so generous to that guy. Maybe 20 years.

Doesn't he, though? He looks like Will Porter.

Looks like Adam Warlock. Sure. I feel like you're

just saying that. Shut up and agree with me.

Okay. Thanks, doll. Flint. Oh. Flint Marco. We

know that name. Mm hmm. That's a one Mr. Sandman.

Mm hmm. Read me a dream. He's got the sand colored

suit. Mm -hmm. I like it. Yeah, that's good.

That is a good one. Sharpened him. Yeah. Spider

-Man. Blackmail. Blackmail. And that's what that's

what I was saying earlier. I don't know how I

feel about it. Yeah. Yeah. Get him. But I guess

technically he's not Spider -Man right now. He's

fallen from grace and is. That's true. That's

true. I would assume working his way back. Right.

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. You're absolutely right.

That's a sand colored suit. I mean, unless you're

trying to mess with him, I don't think going

down a back alley by yourself is the move. Oh,

he's totally trying to mess with him. You kidding

me? He knows. He knows. I know. But I'm saying

like he didn't. He's avoiding all of this. Ruby's

been dead a long time, but I don't care what

she thinks. True. True. I'm going to rip this

cigarette and blackmail this lady. Oh, yeah.

And he was so much time. Yeah, that's really

beautiful. Sound that man's voice sounds like

he's speaking through gravel. There's sand. Mm

hmm. Mm hmm. Oh, man. Opium. Well, then you don't

get the negatives ever. Yeah. It's about time

to bust out them spider powers. Nope. About time

to bust out this wrench. Or a two by four. I'll.

Oh, we got to see some sounding Sandy. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate sand. It's coarse. It

gets everywhere. It gets everywhere. Oh, man.

It's like, bro, you good? It looks less sandy

and more. Cigarettes put out in his palms. Give

it time, give it time. Yeah. OK, OK, yeah, yeah.

You know, of all the Spider -Man villains, he

has kind of one of the roughest goes of it until

he actually learns how to control his powers.

Well, yeah, he's saying. Yeah, he falls apart

like half the time. Literally and figuratively.

Yeah. This is Sparta. And now is the time to

flip. There it is. Just to see Nick Cage doing

that, man. I know, dude. I'm not buying it so

far. That is pretty damn funny. He's just...

He's just... All my personal feelings about Nick

Cage aside, I just don't buy him as Spider -Man.

I know. I know. And where was his spider balance

just now? I mean, come on, man. Well, he's...

Yeah, he's an old man. We're assuming he's not

been doing this for so many years, it seems like.

Based on what he said, I think he hung it up

about Ruby and then. Yeah, it's been five years,

I believe. You think it would be like riding

a bike. It's a it's a innate power that he has,

not a one would assume a skill he practices.

And it's not like you lose your balance over

time. Well, I suppose that's not entirely true.

And I life alert. Take that back. I feel like

Spider -Man wouldn't lose his balance quite like

that. I don't know. I would. I would agree. It's

kind of strange with their with their which I

said, I guess it's it not only is a from personality

and power standpoint, it's all. Oh, my. She sang

so good. I was enraptured. I stood up and walked

across the room and everything. I like her eyelashes

better this morning. Slipped through the cracks.

He just fell apart. All right. Okay. Ladies and

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Hello and welcome, fellow Marvel fans, to the

Snark Industries podcast. I'm John. And I'm Remy.

And we invite you to join us as we work our way

through every Marvel TV show, movie, and crossover.

Meaning if there's a Marvel character on screen,

it's fair game. All categorized in the temporal

order of their setting. By the time we're done,

we'll have built a complete start -to -finish

timeline of the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe.

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If you're hearing this, you found one of our

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in a new and exciting way. So, sit back, relax,

and enjoy this episode of Snark Industries. Hello,

ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Snark

Industries Deep Dive. We just watched the first

episode of Spider Noir. John? What was that about?

Yeah, so Spider Noir, pretty fun. Out of the

blue here, our first detour into new content

fitting into our timeline, which is pretty exciting

and fun and totally did not spark a little freak

out from you, which was fun to see. But so we

have episode one here where we have the story

of the spider, Ben Reilly, who is a... spider

universe vigilante fighting after World War I.

They do a quick sort of cut scene of showing

different things that happened, of how he's hung

up his mask because it's just not worth it anymore

after he lost his soon -to -be bride, Ruby, some

years ago. And we find out a big deterrence already

from the stories that we kind of already know

that she is attributed to the line, with great

power comes great responsibility, which is at

least still a central theme in pretty much all

of spiderdom. Except for the extortion in this

one. Right. So, you know, he's hung up the mask

in that sense, but is now working as a private

investigator in New York. Still seemingly, as

we kind of see through the episode, helping people

doing good things. And that's why he is broke.

He's got a secretary who is mad at him because

he's not bigger and always keeps turning down

work. So that's kind of interesting. But he's

got a job to start with where he's tracking this

man named Addison. And as he's doing so, he is.

knocked unconscious for a few moments on the

ground from another private investigator who

was also looking for this Addison, which was

kind of a strange turn of events to not see his,

even with hanging up the mask, not seeing his

spider powers, his bentingle in action. Oh, God.

He and, yeah, sorry. He and this other investigator

by the name of Donegal tracked this Addison fellow

to a standard. oil company, who then engulfs

himself in flames and goes to attack. Donegal

ends up pulling a revolver and shoots this man

who, as I said, in an oil company, lights everything

on fire and we have a big explosion. Afterwards,

Ben and this Donegal sort of bond a little bit

and finds out that they were hired by the same

guy. to find this fellow with this little joke

about one being paid less than the other. Then

we see him kind of back at his office. Another

client comes in, a Mr. Carmody, who is convinced

that his wife, who... Ben doesn't immediately

believe is actually his wife because of how she

looks versus how he looks. Yeah. What do you

call him? A syphilitic walrus? A syphilitic walrus.

Believes he's having an affair and wants him

to sort of find evidence of this. And we get

this little nod, which I thought was interesting,

about him taking photographs and how he's a good

photographer. You know, bring me pictures of

Spider -Man. And so it just kind of goes goes

down that. But he goes and finds her and she

is indeed at a hotel with another man. They seem

they sort of share this kiss and slap each other.

And it's all very weird. And then he gets out

of there and it turns to find out as he's getting

this film developed that the man that she goes

to see is the mayor. He decides to wash his hands

of all of this. He doesn't want any part of it.

But instead, he and his secretary decide that

they are going to use these photographs to try

to blackmail this woman. into giving them money

so that they don't release her relationship with

the mayor. So he finds out that she is a singer

at this club. He goes, he listens to her sing.

He's enraptured by her. And we sort of get these

first sort of plugs. We find out her name, Cat

Hardy, which is, as we'll kind of later figure

out or put together, or those that are fans will

know already, is the Black Cat. So he tries to

blackmail her. She introduces him to her muscle,

Flint Marco. AKA the Sandman. Yeah. And he's

like, well, you know, let's, let's talk about

it tomorrow. I'll just leave this one here and

you can talk to me about the negatives at a later

time. And so he leaves the bar at that point

being trailed by Flint, who takes him up into

sort of this scaffolding of a, of a building

that's being done. This sort of. Almost, dare

I say, quintessential fight area. It's always

in these unfinished buildings that these things

happen. Oh, classic. Yeah. Yeah. And they sort

of do battle up there in a manner of speaking.

It's a lot of swinging around of wood and things

like that. We don't really get to see a whole

lot of spider powers throughout the entirety

of it, though he does use his webbing once to

save. Well, not really save. Cat was about to

get slapped by the who we find out later to be

the mayor. He stops him from doing that. And

then during this fight with Marco, which we get

to see sort of the Sandman stuff start happening.

You know, his body calcifies and everything.

He throws Ben off the top of this building and

we get to see him use his webbing once again

to save himself. And as all this kind of happens,

he swings back up there. Sandman is beat down.

Black Cat shows up. He decides to give her the

negatives for the photos for free because he

feels bad for her. And then sort of the final

scene of the episode, his secretary is quitting

because he's once again not gotten any money,

which, to be honest, I'm not super mad about

is this was a blackmail scheme to start with.

It just doesn't feel right to begin with. But

she's quitting and Black Cat walks into the office

saying, well, no reason to quit. I actually want

to hire you for something. And so, you know,

we will assume that the secretary probably will

stay for this as they they discuss some pay.

And ultimately have this job to now go and find

the missing Flint Marco Sandman, who is mysteriously

vanished since their encounter on the unfinished

rooftops of this building. So that's more or

less episode one. Yeah. Last we saw him, he was

completely sand. So I guess I'd go into hiding,

too. Yeah. Maybe he's not even really hiding.

Maybe he's just on a beach somewhere blending

in. Well, he fell through the grates. Yeah. Yeah.

So. Yeah, I mean, that's that's kind of what

happened. Episode one, a good setup in terms

of how it ties into the MCU. And you can kind

of correct me here. I think you're probably better

versed in the spider verse. See what I did that

I am. But, you know, Spider Noir, I think in

general is kind of a almost alternate reality

of spider done. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So we have these characters that are callbacks

to the what would ultimately be the MCU proper.

But they're different in different ways. Like,

you know, we got Cat Hardy, who's Black Cat,

you know, so it's just different kind of thing

that they're kind of plugging in. And it seems

that they're already taking some liberties, like

I mentioned in the synopsis with the great power

and great responsibility bit and everything else.

But because once again, and we're doing a lot

of this early on, which I kind of like, to be

honest, but we have something that doesn't really

super, super tie into the MCU at large because

it is meant to be sort of standalone. With this

particular IP, I think this is the first one

that we've had that is part of the Sonyverse

stuff that we're inputting into this, which certainly

have their place and certainly stories that deserve

to be told. And Spider -Man is iconic, dare I

say, one of, if not the most iconic Marvel character

that there is. Yeah. And everything. But in terms

of tie -ins with the MCU at large, it's going

to be mostly sort of parallels of characters

that we know without any real bearing on. stories

in the MCU in general, unless they try to do

something really crazy down the line. But at

least in episode one, that doesn't seem to be

the case. But that being said, I feel like there

will probably be a wealth of information in terms

of how this ties into comic books. So, Remy,

why don't you tell us about that? Oh, so much.

Yeah. Well, first, we're going to kick off with

what universe it is in. And we actually don't

know. This one is completely unnamed at the moment.

Of course, we have not watched all eight episodes,

so it could be named by the end. But as it stands,

we do not know the universe because he even says

right out the gate is someone asked him what

universe we're in, and he thought it was an odd

question. So it's the only one he knows of. So

we categorically know that this is not the same

Spider -Noir that is from the Spider -Verse movies

because that is Peter Parker. This has been Riley,

which. Talking about comic book tie -ins, that's

a pretty big comic book tie -in. Anyone that

knows anything about Spider -Man and the clones

and all that jazz knows that Ben Reilly is a

huge name. He is in the comics, the Scarlet Spider,

which is my personal favorite Spider -Man. And

to use that name here is very interesting. So

that is obviously a huge tie -in to the comics

in a very strange way. But as far as the actual

roots are concerned, there were... two runs was

a one run uh one with a start and a sequel uh

spider -man noir one through four in 2009 and

then there was a follow -up uh spider -man noir

eyes without a face that was a four series a

four comic book series as well and that was a

follow -up to the first bit and then there was

also a spider -man noir in 2020 and there's a

current running spider -man noir series as well

so a lot of source material to pull from a lot

of characters to pull from, they're doing an

interesting thing like Cat Hardy, for example.

That is Felicia Hardy and the Black Cat. So there's

a lot of mixing up of names and a lot of kind

of picking apart, deconstructing and reconstructing

these characters because they don't parallel

the comics very well so far. I mean, episode

one, again, there could be a lot more parallels

coming up. But from what I've seen, no great

parallels. But moving on to Easter eggs that

we caught, there was the as I said, the statement

of what universe is this? Ben starts with someone

once asked me what universe this was. Strange

question. It stuck with me all these years later.

All I could say, it's the only one I knew of.

So that's kind of a cool like right out the gate,

breaking away from thinking this is the same

Spider -Man of Spider -Verse. He would obviously

know of other universes. There was the opening

narration over web swinging, slinging, which

is. almost exactly like Peter Parker in the Sam

Raimi trilogy. We've got the organic web shooters,

which, again, if you know Spider -Man comics,

you flop back and forth between the mechanical

and organic. There are a dozen versions of each.

And as you mentioned, with great powers comes

great responsibility. Being attributed to someone

else feels a little weird. But as we mentioned

in the watch party, attributing that someone

named Ben might be a little weird because his

name is Ben. Strange choice, but I'm down with

it. And I also wanted to point out Silvermane.

He is in the show. His name is Finn Byrne. I

don't know that we've we've heard that yet. But

in the comic, his name is Silvio Manfredi. So

they kind of shortened it to Silvermane, which

is an alias in the comics. But the name itself

has changed. So, again, a lot of comic tie ins,

a lot of characters being taken out of the comics

and then reused and re. shuffled, I suppose.

But, uh, yeah, all in all, what'd you think?

Yeah. So, uh, I was excited that we were going

to do this and, and, uh, you know, I've, I've

heard this was coming and it was just funny that

it sort of fell in our timeline of where we were

basically already at. Yeah. So it's fun to be

able to watch this in real time with you, uh,

first time for both of us, uh, and first time

with all of you as it's kind of happening as

it's just releasing now at the time of our recording

and everything. So. That is pretty exciting.

I am a big fan of all things DuMar. I really

like that sort of setting vibe. Yes, sir. Things

like that. Do what? I said, yes, sir. Oh. I don't

know what I thought you said, but it wasn't that.

But yes, you're right. So I'm a big fan of this.

So there's sort of that sort of vibe and everything.

So it was cool to have that. I am a little bit

apprehensive about Nick Cage being the showrunner,

as I think we discussed in our episode zero.

Ghost Rider is my favorite hero from Marvel,

and I hate. those movies with Nick Cage in it

because it's such an amalgamation of a hero that

I really, really love and adore. Oh, man. So

having him be the main character once again is

a whole mood. I don't know if I super buy him

as Spider -Man, but then I guess if they're really

trying to lean into the, you know, old man, he's

out of his element, he's out of his game. I just

don't feel like with Spider -Powers that would

really be the case. But, you know, that's what

they're going with. Who's to question their artistic

direction with that? But that being said, I really

actually still enjoyed this episode a lot. Like

I said, I really liked Nomura a lot. I really

liked, and you mentioned it in the Easter eggs,

the Silverman, the Brendan Gleeson character.

Brendan Gleeson is a treasure. I like him in

everything that he does. Yes. 100%. Yeah. And

I mean, even the little bit that we got to see

of him in this episode, very sinister. The scene

where he slits the... The guy's throat is like,

I mean, it is rough. I mean, I felt stuff that

I was like, oh, man, that is that is that, you

know, so really, really making a setting up a

potent villain and, you know, couldn't have a

better actor to be playing it. You know, I think

so. Oh, yeah. But I really liked it. I really

liked all the plugs and the characters that we

recognize, even if they did sort of reimagine

the naming and, you know, maybe, you know, the.

general vibe of these characters you know they're

still familiar characters so that's pretty fun

and i did like we got to see it really in flashbacks

more so than anything but i really did like and

i think they did a very good job of the noir

suit like the oh it's beautiful yeah the outfit

i mean it looks exactly like i imagine that it

should look on the screen you know so they really

did a good job with that you know i said i look

forward to what i imagine will be him redawning

the suit sometime before the end of this season

but yeah overall A lot of fun. Worth it. I have

to swallow down my pride a bit and say, even

with my hatred of things that Nick Cage has done

to the characters that I like, he did well enough

here. And just the vibe and the general setting

and everything else really made for a good time.

So how about yourself? Tell us about it. Yeah,

I completely agree. I thought it was a ton of

fun. Having read all of the Spider Noir comics,

except for the latest issues of the current running

series. It's a ton of fun to not only see that

world reshuffled, but the Spider -Man world that

we know reshuffled. I really appreciate that

having been already familiar with these stories,

I'm getting something new. I'm getting a little

bit of a reshuffle of something that I'm familiar

with. And that to me is a joy. Loved seeing the,

like you said, the character drops, the familiar

names, the... Sandman, for starters. He's one

of my favorite Spider -Man villains. He's such

a unique character. Started out in the comics

as a petty crime, a petty theft, I think it was.

But I kind of dig that they're taking him and

making him more of a sympathetic character here.

Because I've always really appreciated Flint.

He becomes quite a character in the future. So

to see him in live action that is not Spider

-Man 3 is nice. So, yeah, I'm with you. Hey,

man, that was a that was a train wreck. And I'm

kind of looking forward to getting to it. I can't

wait to see the Tobey Maguire symbiote dance.

It's my favorite part of any movie. That's going

to be fun. But yeah, long story short, like you,

I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed the visuals,

the aesthetics of the costume specifically. I'm

really looking forward to him because we know

he's going to bust back into the suit. He's going

to have some reason to get the suit out of the

wall and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I'm

really looking forward to seeing him in action

and not Nick Cage being himself. Because watching

Nick Cage swing via web was uncomfortable. I

don't know if that's the word, but it was weird.

Agreed. Agreed. But all in all, thoroughly enjoyed

it and very much looking forward to the next

seven episodes. Same here. Well, ladies and gentlemen,

we hope you enjoyed that as much as we did and

cannot wait to see the rest of it with you. On

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