The Last Panther

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of Stark Industries. All right, The Last Panther,

which is, you know, the name of this episode

and the last episode. No, I think Shuri's The

Last Panther. Fair. Ethiopia. All right, 1896.

I like that guy's haircut. It's like the original

bowl cut, but not quite. Yeah. Well, that's what

battles do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we got guns

now. Mm hmm. Getting real. Yeah, let me know

how that goes for you. Seems like a good move

if you can do it. There's a person right there.

Yeah. Now, let me send you to a war zone to observe.

Yeah. Just look. Tell me you don't like your

kid without saying you don't like your kid. He

ate the last Oreo one too many times. You're

in the middle of a conflict, so. Now, what is

a prince doing in the middle of a conflict? That

seems. Well, I guess T 'Challa is king in all

the ways in the middle of conflict. Yeah, I mean,

I suppose if the tradition holds that the king

is the Black Panther, then this is some training

for him. Yeah, he better be ready for it. Oh,

but you making it. How did he get so far when

you can't see him in one second? How did he get

across the street, man? Maybe he is ready to

be a panther. He's taking the hot shaped herb.

Yeah. And I like that they already have communicating.

Devices that they have to put their fingers up

to the ear. The 1800s. They've got the they've

got the. Oh, it's that. Oh, is that the. Yeah.

It doesn't normally have that long of a staff,

does it? Well, some staffs are longer than others.

Calm down. Oh, no. Call back to episode one.

Yeah. Oh, well. Huh. Very interesting. So I feel

like they're trying to set up Killmonger as more

of a Wakandan hero. That's a take. Not saying

everything he did was right, mind you, but. You

know, recovery of artifacts. That is his entire

goal in the movie. So how is he necessarily the

bad guy if all these guys are our protagonists?

Well, I think we'll get to that one day. For

this day. We will indeed. For this day, I'm going

to say that I just disagree with you. Yes, yes.

Put a pin in it. Conversation for another day.

I'm looking forward to seeing that. Yeah. A little

car explosion or the motorized wheelbarrow. No,

it was in the last episode. Oh, and that. No,

that was that was going through trees and it's

going to be in this one. Don't don't do that

to me. Place your bets now, folks. Will this

go the way of the bangle? Oh, look at that. Look

at that. All right. I'm signing off. Look at

that. That could not have been better timed.

Oh, man. Like it's not even sitting there. Goddamn.

when they really lean into saying duty a lot.

You would. Or in a four -part miniseries. Dude,

I like those wheels. That's cool. Well, if we

had just waited, we could have learned things.

Well, sure, but that's not our style. I'm not

waiting for anything. I'm drawing conclusions

incorrectly from the start. It's more fun that

way. I mean, vibranium is cool and everything,

but I would take a gun over a vibranium axe.

Yeah. Maybe turn it into a shield. Whoa. If they

weren't driving a ridiculous car, that wouldn't

happen. I mean, he should have just split the

wheels, right? I appreciate that they were wearing

their seatbelts. Very important. I'd be paying

more attention to the fact that there was somebody

in the middle of the road that just flipped our

vehicle. And are standing there waiting for you

to come out. Mm -hmm. Well, that's not human.

What, a Chitauri, or...? Quiet. They won't see

us in this wreckage. Yeah, they don't know where

we were sitting. Excuse me? Bro, take it. There

you go. Always going to use the axe. Nope, he

didn't grab the axe. He's trying to punch the

thing instead. Here he goes. There he goes. Oh,

well. There he tried. He's like, oh, this is

what I was here for. Well, what if I go that

far? Mm hmm. Oh, oh. God, had that landed on

him, that would have been bad. That didn't fall

at a more inopportune spot. I think we've said

it every single time we've watched one of these,

but the cinematography, the fight combat. Ah,

it's so good. Or the combat cinematography. Those

fight combats. Yeah, yeah, you know what I said.

You remember that time you said that was a Chitauri?

Hilarious. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. You could be so right

about the little battle wagon and so wrong about

a human being being an alien. Hey, hey, man,

I'm 50 50 right now. I'll take it. Well. Oh,

time travel. That's a trick. Oh, this temporal

timeline has been displaced. We're very far into

the future now. Yeah. Oh. 500 years, so 18 -

2300s. Something or other. Oh, okay. Then we'll

fight in the shade. Oh, it's a scarab from Halo.

Everything ties together. Nope, it's not even

close to that. Not anymore. Although that doesn't

look too dissimilar from the scarab gun. That

is a heck of a suit. Damn. Panther got an upgrade.

How did you lose to those guys? Right? You could

just do that. I guess it's taxing. It looks like

it might have taken a bit out of her. Yeah. Dude,

I like the Dora Milaje. That's cool. Yeah. So

is this the, like, Annihilus? The Horde? Perhaps,

or something completely made up. Totally, yeah.

Nice. That's cool. Yeah. Is that Noni? So we've

seen that in, I think, all four of these episodes.

That mask? Yeah. See, I mean, Killmonger trying

to recover this thing seems like it's a pretty

important... You're not convincing me that he's

a hero. I'm not saying he's a hero. Just because

he's a bad guy doesn't mean he's a bad guy. Hot

takes here. You heard him here first, folks.

Oh, that's actually the museum from Black Panther.

You see that? I did. World United. She's talking

crazy now. Yeah. Kids like I told you. Well,

there's one thing that we learned. That's not

how that works. Yeah, this is. Breaking the multiversal

rules already. The TVA just shows up and kills

all of them. Oh, here is a wow. And they all

went home and never thought of her again. I fully

trust this lady that almost killed me. Yeah,

right. Species. Well, I mean, he did say all

of humanity as well. Yeah. Well, they better

hurry. Yeah. But we can't. We're out of hoobity

boobity. Hate it when I run out of hoobity boobity.

So do they. Oh, see? Yeah. Nailed it. They have

a cave troll. Fool of a took. They're definitely

not the Annihilus brood. Unless it's meant to

be a futuristic version. I would say it's probably

just something made up here. That'd be my guess

too. Oh. Keeps doing that. Wow, they are truly

ineffective. Glad they grabbed the can as it

was like, screw those two guys in particular.

Yeah. Oh, that was a sound. He fell in a hole.

Should I shoot him with this gun or charge at

him and try to smack him with it? Did he hit

him with the handle instead of the axe? I think

so. Oh, that was cool. That cannonball going

right through that building. Yeah. Those two

guys in particular. The city's in ruins. Anyways,

I started blasting. That's a big open field to

be running across in a war zone. You going to

punch the building away? You can certainly try.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Die on some distant battlefield.

Yeah. Right. Take his little gauntlets. Right.

Leaving Wakandan technology in another country.

Season two, episode one. Someone goes to find

the gauntlets in Ethiopia. Oh. Damn. Oof. Oh,

shit. You wouldn't have stopped to say that.

You'd have probably been okay. Oh, man. So every

day at nine o 'clock, this grandfather clock

just pops open. Here's my secret compartment.

Look at this axe. I don't know what he was expecting

to happen when he radioed into the guy that was

crushed by a building. Right. You kind of saw

him. Hey, that's the exact same wound that Rico

got from a bug type thing in Starship. Right

through the leg like that. Like you said, everything

ties together. It all ties together. Everything

is Marvel. I wonder if it worked. Oh, he didn't

die. Look at that. Somehow fine. I was just passing

out for dramatic effect. Your plot armor is thick.

Because a person from the future told you it

was, man. But did it work? Kind of jacked up

to have time travel if it did work and not go

back and let him know. Right. Okay. Will we get

to see it? Oh, hey, look at that. Yeah. Speaking

of. Huh. Huh. Interesting. Very interesting.

I don't know if that's the word I'd choose. All

right. Well, that's that. And we will see you

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you in the next adventure

Hello and welcome fellow Marvel fans to the Snark

Industries podcast. I'm John. And I'm Remy. And

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and enjoy this episode of Stark Industries. Hello,

ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Snark

Industries Deep Dive. We just watched The Last

Panther, Eyes of Wakanda, Episode 4 of Season

1. And John, why don't you tell us what this

was about? All right. So we start out in 1896

in the Italo -Ethiopian War with two Wakandans,

Prince Tafari and a veteran war dog named Kuda,

on a mission to, I bet you can guess it, Recover

a Wakandan artifact. Like to shake it up a little

bit. Yeah, just just for a change in activities.

It seems very early on that Prince Tafari is

young and well, he is young, but seems inexperienced,

I think is what I'm trying to say. And is there

supposedly on an observation mission with CUDA?

And ultimately, they do find their piece of Wakandan

tech in the middle of this great battle. That's

happening. And it is the axe, not only that was

referenced in the first episode of Iza Wakanda,

but is the weapon that Killmonger finds in the

museum in the Black Panther movie, which we'll

get to a little bit as we go on. But they do

find it. And as they're leaving the city, an

invisible figure standing in the middle of the

road and upturns their battle wagon. And as they

come to, a fight ensues between them, seeming

to be some sort of villain. And it turns out

that it is actually. a Black Panther from the

future. She introduces herself as the Queen from

the year 2296 and spells out a certain level

of doom and gloom as the world is ending. And

the only way to save it is if her to go back

into time to find this particular relic and return

it to where they just found it from, which will

allow it to be ultimately recovered in an archaeological

dig and put into that museum for Kilmarger to

find, which... Leads to the events of the Black

Panther movie, which means that Wakanda connects

with the rest of the world, which means the world

will then be strong enough to defeat this world

ending infestation. As she tells them all this,

she is unable to hold her temporal form and returns

back to the future where these bugs in question

attack where she is at, along with Adora Milaje.

We see them have a bit of a battle to defend

the portal into time to keep these things out

of the past. Prince Tafari convinces Kuda to

take the axe back to where they found it, ultimately

doing so. And as they return safely home to Wakanda

after some hard fought battles, in which case

we thought for a moment we lost Kuda, but he

does survive. We see the last scene, a cut to

the future where Killmonger is standing. in the

museum looking at the axe head seemingly that

this plan did indeed work so as it ties into

the MCU actually this is one of the first ones

that really directly does the implication very

heavily yeah yeah the implication being that

in doing the events of this episode allowed Killmonger

to find this axe which then those events branched

out to ultimately save the entire world in the

year 2296. Obviously, we have the just generic

tie -ins with the Black Panther, the War Dogs,

the Dora Milaje, Wakanda in general, same as

the other Eyes on Wakanda episodes. But for the

first time, we really get a big shift as they

are trying to plug into something directly to

the MCU and what we understand as the MCU at

large. So that's how it ties into the MCU. Remy,

how about any comic books? As far as comic origins

and universe designation, of course, because

of how well it ties in, this is, of course, the

main Marvel U, which is Earth -199999 or 616

if you want to be wrong. But as far as the comic

roots themselves are concerned, the Horde, I

was predicting in the watch party that it was

the Annihilus Horde, which apparently this is

lifted from the 2006... Eternals miniseries written

by Neil Gaiman. So I didn't realize that. So

these are actually creatures that do exist, not

just invented for this show. Kind of cool. Interesting.

As you mentioned, the war dogs are certainly

there, which was from Black Panther number three.

There's also the political isolationism, which

is heavily referring to Black Panther volume

six and the run in 2005 by, I'm going to mispronounce

this name and I apologize, but Ta -Nahisi Coates.

and Reginald Hudlin so sorry if I mispronounce

those yep yep yep but uh yeah as far as comic

tie -ins that's really all it goes this one is

much as John said much much heavier tied into

the MCU in general than it is the comics and

uh as far as easter eggs are concerned I mean

the biggest one of course is the axe I don't

know that it was really an easter egg such a

focal point plot device but otherwise I didn't

see a whole lot else we did see the lion mask

every single episode in In this show, we, of

course, got the flashbacks to the Kai and then

all the other characters, which was really neat

to see. But I don't, again, think those would

be considered Easter eggs. So what do you think

overall? So I thought the episode overall was

well put together. The choreography of the combat,

the combat fights, as you call them, was was

well done. I can't edit that out now. I do not

like this episode and I'll go into why we discussed

a bit as it was happening. There's some liberties

taken here that I think steps outside of the

realm of what makes sense. What if can kind of

do that in their episodes because we understand

it is what if these are separate. Meant to be

absurd. Yeah. Meant to be stories told and that's

it. This and implying heavily that. This particular

act, the actions of this episode, making the

timeline work the way it did and the way that

we understand it goes directly against all that

we have learned and understood about how timelines

work and the multiverse works and all the things

that have happened thus far. This idea that this

did happen and that the future Black Panther

coming back and making them change it would have,

by all understandings of what has been laid out

for us, created a branch. So ultimately, then

are we to understand that the branch is what

actually happened in the Black Panther movie

and the ensuing things? Or did they just get

this wrong and it doesn't work this way? I'm

more inclined to lean towards the latter. I think

that they just thought that this would be a cool

tie in, but without following the rules that

has been set up already in the MCU. And I mean,

and this ultimately. with its release date being

what it is, is an MCU show. I mean, this is all

kinds of falls under the Feige empire. Right.

So it's strange to me that they took that liberty

to go in and to do this without even at least

addressing how it would work and everything else.

I think a more simple thing would be if they

laid out time travel, they already have it, that

they are able to do it and could say that somehow.

a different time traveler had come back and had

moved it. And that's why the timeline was off.

And then they were going and just fixing it because

we did see that that works. And ultimately how

Endgame ended up being a success in terms of

what their mission was. If they had done something

like that, I could get behind it. But to just

blatantly disregard the rules that have been

laid out to make up a story, even if it's a decent

story overall. And like I said, well choreographed

and, you know, the. The animation is great and

all that stuff. I do enjoy those things. But

just to blatantly ignore all of that and just

kind of make up your own thing, I cannot abide

that. I do want to pose a theory that could explain

that away. What if she were from an alternate

timeline and her timeline ultimately did die?

That's just simply how it ended. And her coming

back was what saved the main Marvel U. So her

timeline splintered regardless. That existed.

But her. intervening intervening in this instance

may have saved the main marvel universe the main

cinematic universe versus saving her timeline

because we saw at the end that she did ultimately

die so her coming back did not fix what happened

to her well i'm going to tell you something that

i've always said not only for marvel but for

any movie if there's nobody she's not dead you

know that's very fair we don't we you know it

does seem like it's sort of built up to this

whatever. But the, of course the, the idea is,

and I think that your theory could make this

work. I don't see from what we've been presented

that that's what they were trying to do. I agree

completely. You're negotiating with the story

they told to make it make sense. And I think

that that's okay. If it makes it, you're getting

better, but because the idea is, is that yes,

we see her quote unquote dining. Right. No, not

really. But if. Her going back and having them

fix this means that this horde either didn't

really come or it did come and they were easily

outmatched. She wouldn't have been in that situation

anyway. So she didn't really die in that case

either way. So, you know, I do think that that

theory can make this work and perhaps that's

how we should look at this. I don't see that

as this has to be. I said, I think that's negotiating

with the with the material to make it make sense.

It's very clear to me from the last scene that

we see with Prince Tafari, where he's talking

about, I just wish we could have seen if it worked

for the future. And then immediately cutting

to Kilmarger standing in the museum implies to

me heavily that they are showing like, that's

them saying, yes, it did work. Look. It did work.

It did. But without him having done that, then

her reality, rather than being Splinter, may

have been the main Marvel universe. Perhaps so.

Again, I believe. I completely believe what you're

saying is as I'm explaining away the problem,

because, you know, as fanboys are want to do,

I want this to work. Sure. Yeah. And I mean,

and, and, you know, and at the end of the day,

and from terms of story and, and I can stand

to, you know, and, and have my own pride and

say that I could be completely wrong here. I

just don't see them explaining that way. I said

just a sentence or two adding that in that, that

she, And that her existence and her understanding

was a splintered timeline to start with. And

this was fixing it and correcting it back. And

that timeline did get pruned in a way, whether

it be accidentally or by design. Right. Yeah,

that's really the way they should have approached

it. Because ultimately, at the end of the day,

for those who aren't as invested in this as you

or I, this just doesn't make sense. No, no. The

only story similar to this. of time travel in

marvel comics that i can possibly wrap my head

around is days of future past but even then it's

not a physical time travel sure so i think there

are different rules so it's it's yeah you're

absolutely right this is this is a broken rule

set and there's only only one way to explain

it and it's not what they said in the episode

so it's negotiating yeah and it's like i said

and i could be wrong and that could be what they

were trying to imply and they're just assuming

everyone would draw the conclusion that you did

I don't think so. And I would have liked to have

seen them at that. So because of that, I can't

really look and just in general to, you know,

to tie it all in together. Like I said, if it

really wasn't for that, I would say this is a

decent episode. Not my favorite by any means,

but setting aside the breaking of the timeline

rules, if that's what indeed happened, if they

didn't imply what you're saying without saying

it, then still. I would say a mid episode overall

to the show. My least favorite of the, of the

series for sure. I had a curiosity before we

wrap up eyes of Wakanda in its entirety, which

was your favorite. I think the third use was

what you said. I like, I like the iron fist episode

quite a bit. Yeah, that was a good one. That

was my favorite one for sure. And just to wrap

this thing up, it may be evident, but my opinion

on this episode, it was a lot of fun. I really

enjoyed it. I actually contrary to John, I love

the what if scenarios. So I let really. Really

appreciate that they're setting up Killmonger

to be not necessarily a protagonist, but such

a pivotal piece of history where he was until

this point viewed as the villain. He is now such

an important part of the history because you

follow the trail of where that axe went and what

it actually did for the MCU. It is the catalyst

that got Wakanda to open up to the world, which

had the battle with Thanos not taking place in

Wakanda, what would that have looked like? It

is a huge, huge nexus point in the MCU. So I

really appreciate that they gave us the opportunity

to put it within that framework. And I thought

that was really clever. I don't love the way

they handled the time travel. I'm completely

with you on that. I realize that I am explaining

away what was done, but at the same time, it

works well enough that that's totally going to

be my headcanning. So solid episode, a little

funky on the time travel logic, but here we are.

And I did ultimately enjoy it. Fair enough. But

I do think I'm with you that the third episode

was my favorite of the three. Wow. Look at us

agreeing. Yeah, look at that. But yeah, we will

see you in the next episode, folks. I hope you

enjoyed and continue to do so. Thank you for

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