Betrayal

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of Stark Industries. Prime logo. Yeah. Yeah.

We're helping Jeffrey Bezos out. He's having

a tough time lately. When the Prime logo is prominently

displayed. Yeah. Doesn't have the same ring to

it. No, it really doesn't. Yeah. K .O. Oh, we.

See, that's that's exactly that that pullback.

That's exactly how Quinn died. Yeah. Yeah, the

double the double string. Harsh. One of the legs,

one of the boobs. Yeah. Makes a big. That's how

you catch a lady. Very important placement. Yeah.

That's wet out there. Get off the ground, bro.

No, just walking in front of the car. Come on

now. I know. Rude. Oh, there's a horse. That

man's got a cart full of produce. Oh, they're

glowing. I wonder why. Oh, they're going to Millie's

diner post. Yeah. Just ripping a cigarette in

there too. Crazy. Right. What a time to be alive.

She's going to leave the relationship as soon

as she sees how he eats. Right. You're going

to start peeling that too? Yeah, peel that pie.

He did that earlier. Oh, we're getting origin

story here. Flashback. Hell yeah. That was the

dumbest way to throw a grenade ever. There I

go. That's a better throw. Oh, we'll have him

scream. Oh, man. Bayonet. Rough. Bayonet. Jesus

Christ. That's Jason Bourne. Oh. Oh. Wow. Well.

Oh, hey, we know that guy. Luckily, that's the

dumbest soldier ever. Yeah. Get him, Flynn. Get

in the house. Oh, is that Addison? Okay. You

guys also left a not insignificant amount of

that pie sitting there. Yeah, what's wrong? Is

there something wrong with the crust? Yeah, eat

the crust. It's the best part. Bunch of nerds.

Ew. Oh, are there critters in these jars? One

of them's got a spider in it, I bet. I'll bet.

Oh, this is where we're going to see that half

spider, dude. Oh, no. Praying mantis? I bet he's

very religious. Oh, put a scorpion in one of

them. Ooh, ooh, ooh. No. Oh, dear. Oh, yeah.

But we're about to see the. Oh, no. Oh. OK. OK.

Well, you know. So he didn't get bit by a radioactive

spider. He got bit by that guy. Yeah, that's

a that's a serious turn from the huge. Yeah.

He got bit by that guy. Oh, that is that is that

is something special there. That is definitely

something special. So we saw a praying mantis.

A snake. It was a snake. Eel. Yeah. OK. OK. They

could have put a scorpion in one of those that

have been read. Right. A lizard. I mean, come

on. The scorpion's not really like. It still

would have been a cool Easter egg. What if there

was a rhino in there? Yeah, what if there was

an octopus? A jar with a rhino in it. Oh, man.

It's like y 'all should have gone to the big

animal room. Could have found the elephant man.

Look at that spider. Oh, there's our buddy. Yeah,

that's how he is. There's your origin story,

folks. We figured it out now. Another mystery

solved, Scooby -Doo. I'm looking at these cuts

real close now that we got fooled by the electro

megawatt thing. Yeah, we did. So I think that

that lizard guy is Tombstone. Yeah, maybe fully

formed. I think that scale is Tombstone. Yeah,

could be. I wonder if this is the, the max characters

we're going to get. I've got three episodes remaining

after this. Yeah, it could be. I mean, it seems

like a pretty good slate. Yeah. I mean, there's,

yeah, there's what? Five, six. That's, that's

pretty good. We have four powered beings alive.

Well, no, Addison's dead. So four powered beings.

It's pretty good for a first season. I mean,

we don't know that others aren't coming either.

That's true. We're finding out together with

all of you in real time. Okay, that's weird for

you to do your fingers that way. She was saying

spider. I mean, I got it. Yes. I peeled my hot

dog. Used as the phone. Yeah. Any variety of

things with the hot dog. Him and food, man. I'm

not I'm not into it. No, it's definitely a common

theme in the show for some reason. Oh, that's

weird. What a weird thing to say. Right. So what

kind of critter was he? He had the sand jar.

I got a jar of dirt. Her forehead's huge. I didn't

notice it until they did the silhouette angle.

That's what we call a five head. Yeah, that silhouette

angle just did not do her any favors. Did you

finish that pie, though? That's what I didn't

know. Yeah, I mean, don't leave the crust. Oh,

he's got his office. No, I think that's a. Yeah.

Walter. I got excited. I think for him. Yeah.

It's actually a pretty good name for a train

conductor that conducts electricity. I mean,

come on, Robbie. Did I stutter? Oh, it's not

Walter. It's Howard Walters. Got it. Did you

drink his coffee? Ew. Get that man fired and

hired Jonah Jameson. He wants his office. Oh,

now he's going to get his office. There it is.

Yeah. I had a premonition. I knew he was getting

that office. Yeah, that John Tingle was going.

Oh, yeah, it was. Oh, no. Why? You opened up

the can. I just poured it out. I did. I did.

Oh, he doesn't get an office. He's sitting down

there in the bullpen with those guys. Hey, it's

a desk. That's still something. That's three

conditions. Yeah, it's very much something. That's

four conditions. Anything else? They could have

really kept that going for a while. Now that

you mention it. That's a hell of a skin condition.

Yeah, it bothers me. This is what you get for

walking into another dark room without flicking

the light on. Right. Little design on his tie.

Wonder how long their ties are. Yeah. They're

all wearing vests so it covers it up. I like

that. Smart. Not ruining my day with ties that

are too short. Yeah, definitely. Playing Tombstone

a little differently. Yeah. How do you know,

to be fair? Right. Some powers come with longevity.

Ask Logan. He'll tell you. Well, yeah, and that

like he's got a carapace on his skin. How is

that going to kill him? Yeah. In fact, that could

help. Oh, I got hit by a bus. Carapace. Boom.

Carapace. Yeah. That guy. Yeah. Oh, super soldier

program. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Wow. Jesus.

Good one. All right. Good joke. Good joke. Okay.

What was this? Faber or Faber? Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Alephia. If you get lethal in your name, I don't

want to be here as my doctor. Correct. For you.

You asshole. He's saying what we all want to

say to Nick Cage. Right, right. Oh, start again,

man. Turn off all the electricity. For our zappy

little friend. That one guy just read the magazine.

Everybody else got their Tommy guns out. Oh.

Oh my. Ah, he did it too. Yes. Yeah. Oh, I got

a feeling this guy is really going to regret

everything he's doing right now. Yeah. It's going

to be something crazy. I can't wait to hear it.

Yeah, I doubt it. I like that guy a lot. This

guy is something else. Oh, man. Right in the

megawatts. Too modern. Yeah. Don't play all this

newfangled jazz music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always

back to Winston. You think about anything else?

He's always got a threat. You see him when he

gets going. She's like, oh, I've seen him when

he gets going. Oh, man. Jeepers. She is feeling

sassy today. It's because she got laid last night.

Yeah, right. Wow. The dedication to the hats.

I tell you, everyone's got a hat and the wool

there. There's so many layers. Yeah. I'm sweating.

Just thinking about it. Right. I was trying to

see what that book was. The great something.

It might be Gatsby, but. It'd be a little on

the nose for... Oh, well. Spoilers. Right? Vinyl.

Electrifying new phone. The Conductor. The Conductor.

Allow me to put on my spectacles. Who's that

I wonder? Yeah, so that's. Not my office where

no one would talk. Let's go outside and do it.

Right. Oh, he's not even masked up. It's a good

way to get caught, Ben. Good way to get caught.

And they're really, really heavy handing this

age spider thing. Granted, he got bit by a band

spider man. So nothing makes sense anymore. That's

fair. That's fair. Man looks next to her, looks

scared. He is. Ogden. They got it in how many

legs? Oh. Pulling that card. Yeah. It's a good

card. Oh, pointed question. I mean, it sounds

like he knows something. Well, everything everyone

does, they do for a reason. Is it a good reason?

That's the question. That guy. Ogden. Yeah, Ogden

looks like a scared puppy. Yeah. Oh, Ben, you're

out of time. Let's take the whole cabinet. That

one doesn't open as far. Secret compartment.

I, too, am a private dick. I don't think that's

how it's supposed to open. No, but, you know,

sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Cadet

Marco. Her doorknobs blue. Oh my goodness. Wow.

Harsh. Okay. That man is insane. He's the man,

Spider -Man. Oh boy. Let me check my secret compartment.

Oh no! He did end up shutting it. Where'd he

put it, though? Oh, there it is. Luckily, nobody

walked past there. See that web sack of papers

just hanging. It's. He's going to leave that

there. Yep. OK. It's gone now. Don't worry. Continuity.

Oh, it hurts. No, it's still there. It's a little

higher. Oh, don't have the weight from the books

holding it down. So all right. All right. All

right. Fair enough. The torturer has to sleep

next to the torture. It seems like torture for

the torturer. Tortureception. You guys still

reading this magazine? Long magazine. Ding. Oh,

it's that kind of magazine. Yeah, yeah. I knew

that was going to happen. Said it 30 seconds

ago. Wow. Well, one conversation and we figured

out what Lonnie's doing. Yep. Yep, I told you,

this dude is going to regret everything. Dogs

of war. The man knows his Shakespeare. Horatio.

Those tables do not look thick enough to give

you any kind of protection. Oh. Wow. That guy

looked like he was tiptoeing. It's like, nah.

It's like a T -Rex. You can't hear me. You can't

see me. Oh, there's your time again. Yeah, I

know. That's what I say. Yeah. That guy was reading

his porno mag and everyone else had their timing

guns out. Well, it's not even porno mag. It was

a JCPenney's brassiere ad. I can't even tell

what it was. It was probably probably the the

former just of the age. Yeah. Was over. This

man's voice. So yes. Yep. Oh man. I like the

clarification at the end there. Yeah. Oh man.

Fair enough. Yep. Comrade. Oh, this is going

to be ugly. Yeah, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Really does like to talk. Yeah. Oh. Oh. There's

an electrifying kiss. Yeah. He felt that spark.

He's a psychopath. That was weird. Amen. Amen,

Silvermane. I agree, Silvermane. Oh, man. He

said scorpions there, even though we didn't see

one. He said scorpion. Oh. Good question. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. I'll tell her tonight. Over scrumping.

Right. Days a long time. Yeah. Oh, deep. That's

a personal question, my friend. Penthouse. There's

Budge again. Yep. Come see my army of supervillains.

I like the fact that the tips of his fingers

are all blackened. Yeah, that is cool. It's a

fun design choice. Yeah, sure. What? That's not

the shape of the bell. I know. What on earth

is happening? I don't know. That was a very Nick

Cage moment. Yeah, that was that was a weird

scene. Yeah. I know. You know a lot. I was in

the rafters. Like sandpaper. Why do I whisper

like that? I don't know. Just you two in there.

You're such a weird guy. Weird choices. The hell

does that mean? Not just fault. Quantifiably

wrong. Oh. I didn't want to be seen, so I'm sitting

in the window with it wide open. Yep, yep, yep.

And I wanted to touch your butt. And the real

question is, does she still have that hole in

her wall? Get the right angle. Yeah, show us,

show us. Well, everyone's going to die, to be

fair. I mean, it's true. Well, I mean, that's

every time you breed, too. That's right. Every

hot dog at the game and every roast beef at the

Ritz. Yes, yes, but which one's better? Don't

ask him. my bent angle is going off the wild

thing is is that they have known each other for

like a week at this point let's move to Santorini

oh she's in yeah Oh no. Oh. Who doesn't love

cheesecake? Why is he singing it? He just ordered

a bowl of cottage cheese for breakfast. I try

to convince somebody that a hot dog is better

than roast beef. Nothing makes sense right now.

Yeah. You're fired. Oh, that's, you know, she's

kind of shown that. Right. Over and over again.

Not even a few weeks. Well, I think it is. I

think we were to assume some time has passed.

No, there have been mentions of the night before

and tracking. I've been tracking when these things

are taking place. It's not been a few weeks.

There's no way. It started on the 10th of October.

And I think we're on the 19th or 20th. You're

going to show way too much credit on how it's

keeping up with its days, I think. Well, somebody's

not paying as close attention as me. That's for

sure. I've got my pistola. Are you going to shoot

me with that? Oh. Oh, I don't like that. Oh,

I don't like that at all. Oh, that's kind of

cool. Yeah, I didn't want to see that, but that's

kind of cool. That's how he's getting rid of

his bullets. Yeah, yeah, it checks out, but bleh.

It's like, well, yeah, I know that. Well. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you're about to move to some black

sands with another dude, so I don't know. Yeah.

Well, she reached out to a buddy of yours. Yeah.

You work for the man. It actually makes a lot

of sense why she wouldn't come to you, bro. Ah,

damn, his tie is short. He's surely unhinged.

Yeah. Oh. Attaboy, buddy. Oh, he gave him the

good old shake of the head. The disappointed

shake. Just because you bad guy doesn't mean

you bad guy. Right. I kind of dig the way they're

playing Lonnie. Oh, she's going to rat him out.

No. No. Well, I know. Oh, man. Well, here's this

again. He's got a nice little suit on now. Nice

upgrade. Wow. Ogden's face. Oh boy. Yeah. There

it is. Oh, man. Wow. Man alive. This is what

we call a roller coaster. Buckle up. Oh, man

alive. All right, folks. Well, yeah, we'll see

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and enjoy this episode of Snark Industries. Hello,

ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the deep

dive for Snark Industries. We just got done watching

Betrayal, Episode 5 of Spider Noir. John, what

was that about? All right, so we pick back up

right after the end of episode four, where Kat

and Ben were smooshing booties, and we get a

little bit of a unpacking of Ben's past for the

first time in the series. He's kind of hinted

at some stuff before, but not really gone down

the rabbit hole, so to speak. But we go down

the rabbit hole here. We have a flashback back

to World War I, where he's fighting at a German

prison camp, and he runs into this unit that

includes... All the characters that we've seen

so far that have already been enhanced, Sandman,

Tombstone, and others. that we don't really know

necessarily by first name, at least yet, or what

they can do. And they're kind of there in the

prison, and he's kind of trying to set them free

and everything, obviously, and pushes deeper

into this facility and finds that in addition

to just holding these prisoners, there's also

this room full of weird experiments, because

why not? You know, why not us? Because Marvel.

Yeah, because Marvel. And so... You've got people

laying on these gurneys and they're kind of hooked

up to various jars of different animals. We see

snakes. We see scorpions. We see centipedes,

just to name a few. Eel. Eel. Yeah, an eel was

in one of them. Eel man. And everything. And

so, you know, we're kind of looking through and

seeing these different sort of amalgamations

of animals and people. They've got weird scales

and blisters kind of growing on them. And Ben

walks up to this one guy who's kind of like turned

away from the camera. I have no idea why. And

asks him, asks him, you know, hey, buddy, you

OK? And as he reaches over, the man rolls over

and he's half man, half spider, man, spider,

man or whatever. And he's by far the worst gone

out of the bunch for best I could tell. Yeah.

As his face is literally like half arachnid.

And this guy leans over and says, thank you,

Ben, for saving me. Oh, no, that's not what he

does. He said it said bites him in the arm. And

we are to assume here that this is how Ben received

his powers in this rendition of Spider -Man's

story from Man, Spider, Man, Spider. I think

that was in the credits. I have to go back and

check my notes. So he survives this bite and

obviously has come through to turn into the spider

since then himself. Luckily, not getting any

of the weird metamorphosis type things that happen.

Then we fast forward back to the present day

and finishes a story up that he's telling Kat,

admits to her that the only reason that really

he even took her case to start with is because

he was kind of curious about these powers and

how this tied in with Flint and everything and

his own powers and getting that power. It's not

really clear, honestly. He seems to have some

sort of an ulterior motive for accepting it,

even though it's turned into something more amorous

here on the back end. So that's kind of happens

as a setting the stage for the episode. And then

we've got kind of three different things sort

of pulling together all at once. We've got Robbie,

who has taken his story about the enhanced peoples

to the bugle and is able to use that to leverage

his job back. Not only. getting a desk in the

bullpen downstairs, but also getting them to

agree to use his story as is. If we recall from

an earlier episode, they took one of his stories

and chopped it up and made it their own and sort

of reported some fake news. The fake news started

in the 30s. You heard it here first, folks. 1932,

here it is. Yeah, so it started there. Talking

about origin stories. Exactly. He's kind of working

on that. And we have, ultimately, as all these

people are coming together, He's doing that.

We have Flint who goes and gets Lonnie from the

slums where he was, has a very brief conversation

with him, and ultimately changes his entire perspective

on how he's done everything through the episodes

so far, which I thought was kind of an abrupt

change. But perhaps there are some differences

here that we see in the future. So with him there

working with Silvermane, they all go and break

out Megawatt from prison. who has this big sort

of Shakespearean performance as he's tied to

a chair and getting tortured, and then they free

him, and he Horatios that guy to death with his

electricity powers. Yeah. Intense. That's what

he does. We also have a new character that's

sort of introduced here, a Dr. Faber, who they

discover through talking with... Lonnie back

at the agency before this is the one who has

been working with all of these POWs that have

these powers. Or they didn't have these powers.

At least these powers hadn't manifested yet.

But after she started working on them, suddenly

here they are. So they feel that she's doing

some sort of sinister work there. And Robbie

and Ben go and try to figure out what that is.

Robbie bring her outside of her office for an

interview. And Ben breaks into her office and

finds the worst hidden, hidden drawer in hidden

drawer history and is able to pull the files

and has the information on all these various

different enhanced peoples. As he's doing so,

she comes back and. He plays dumb and, oh, I'm

not in the right place and is able to, in theory,

escape. However, unbeknownst to him, he is recognized

by her assistant, a man by the name of Ogden,

who just so happened, luckily for everybody,

was there at that POW camp when Ben came to save

him in that flashback scene. So they realized

that he was there. They checked that poorly hidden

secret drawer and see that the secret contents

within it had been taken. OK, so now they've

got that going on. So we then have a brief meeting

where Ben goes and sees Silvermane, who's now

got his army of superpowered goons ready to go

all in their fancy gangster clothes and ready

to fight and ultimately tells Ben, hey, I've

got some business with the mayor. I want you

to tell your buddy the spider to stay out of

it. Or else he's going to get hurt. And then

Nick Cage does what Nick Cage does best and made

everything awkward and said a bunch of weird

stuff to try to provoke these other guys and

ultimately leaves the room. Very Nick Cage scene.

Yeah, very Nick Cage. So, okay. Now, we've all

kind of got this going on. He decides then it's

going to be best to sort of leave. Right? He's

going to take Kat. He's going to go. This is

getting too hot. Things are going crazy. It's

time to get out of here. He convinces her to

go. She kind of starts packing up and everything.

But as this all kind of comes into play, she

then goes and talks to Flint back at the original

sort of place where she performed. And almost

seems like a kind of goodbye scene in its own

right. But, you know, it's really just kind of

a check in. And we do see Lonnie kind of save

her from a from a falling beam, which so maybe

kind of implies that he's maybe not. So bad of

a guy as that one conversation made it seem to

be. But he's still working for Silvermane immediately

without any sort of remorse, which is kind of

weird. But ultimately, as all this kind of happens

and all this kind of comes to fruition, the point

stands that these enhanced individuals and, you

know, they look into these files that they got

from Dr. Faber's office and these enhanced individuals,

this this work that she's doing on them that

awakened their powers that have been lying dormant

since this experiment happened is killing them.

This kind of puts Kat in a spiral who she still

clearly cares enough about Flint to not want

him to die, if not just outright still loves

him, period. Not super clear her motivations,

which I think is kind of fitting for her, kind

of up and down and all over the place here. So

she goes to Dr. Faber, who is packing up to leave

because, you know, she's going to be found out

and she's all going to go to ruin because of

these files that were taken. The reporter is

going to run the story and it's all over and

says like, hey, what's going on here? I hear

that you were looking for the spider. You think

that somehow he is the key to stopping these

mutations from happening. Well, she learned that

from Lonnie back at the at the theater after

he saved her from the falling beam. Right. How

he knew that, not super clear. Apparently she

told him at some point in the past. Dr. Faber

did. So she comes to him, you know, in an attempt

to find a way to save Flint. How she must save

Flint is by betraying Ben and revealing his biggest

secret. And as far as we know, outside of his

very innermost circle, she's the only one that

knows. I think just Robbie, right? Robbie and

her. To my knowledge, yeah. Yeah, for best we

could tell. So anyway, you know, and she goes

and they present it. And boy, she doesn't think

about it long, you know, and she immediately

says, his name's Ben Reilly. And then that's

where the episode ends. And there was a promise

not to hurt him. That is true. That is true.

That's not going to be followed. The promise

was that he wouldn't get hurt from this. But

yeah, that's that's not how these stories go.

She didn't really think about it long and went

ahead and dropped his name. And that's kind of

where the cliffhanger is. left here in terms

of this episode. And boy, it's it's it's want

me to see what's happened next, because this

has been a roller coaster. Yeah. And everything.

Yeah. No kidding. And I think that's one of our

longest recaps to this point. There was a lot

of there was a lot of moving parts in this one.

I feel like a lot of moving parts. Yeah. So.

All right. But I'll get the thoughts and feelings

at the end, as we usually do. Let's talk briefly

about tie ins. And when I say briefly, I mean

very briefly, because. Once again, there aren't

very many. Spider Noir, as we've discussed before,

is a Sonyverse standalone universe within the

Sonyverse. It is as far removed from MCU proper

as we can probably get. Still familiar names,

even if not familiar faces, familiar stories,

even if changed from a radioactive spider to

man, spider man, spider man. But it's still kind

of the same vibe. You get bit by some weirdo

and now you're now you're a superhero. In terms

of MCU tie -ins, that's really about all there

is. We don't need to bog down with the details

there, but how about some more comic book stuff?

I know it might be some repeats as all this is

the same series, but maybe anything new or exciting

that you noticed? Yeah, absolutely. The new and

exciting that I saw was certainly having to do

with that flashback, that story that he told.

critters that you mentioned of course we saw

scorpion we saw eel so we've got electricity

we've got the scorpion we saw a snake i mean

all kinds of critters so maybe there's potential

to see the lizard maybe there's potential to

see other villains come from this one group i

mean they just set up this this group of 20 some

odd soldiers and we only know five of them so

far right so i'm interested to see if they're

going to continue pulling from that but has always

been a spider so it's kind of cool to see that

they they almost brought in the man spider from

the 90s cartoon which prior to this they had

actually talked about bringing into what if in

2021 but it was deemed too dark for that show

which i thought this thing is kind of wild because

they showed it on the 90s cartoon well the 90s

were a dark time uh you know fair fair point

fair point but as we all know the spider bite

typically as you said happens to spider -man

from a radioactive spider in amazing fantasy

15 in 1962 so to see that kind of flipped on

its head and you know be done by what is essentially

the the live action version of the man spider

really kind of cool it's not uncommon to see

the doctor character that is trying to solve

something and worsening it that's kind of speaking

of dr connors that is a huge huge thing that

we see from dr connors it's a very typical uh

trope in in spider -man so it's fun to see it

kind of brought to live action there And then

there's the the wish to be rid of his power.

He's talking about wanting to to get rid of his

power. And this is something that Peter Parker

came across numerous times in his run. It's kind

of fun to see all of these themes not directly

tied to the comic, but very much coming from

the same era of comics. And finally, kind of

fun to see things like the island of Dr. Moreau,

if you don't know, is a classic H .G. Wells.

He experiments between. human and animal combination.

So we're kind of getting a parallel to that.

Maybe not an Easter egg, but certainly a lift

from a classic novel. As far as Easter eggs,

tidbits, all that is concerned, that's all I

saw. I'm sure there's probably more because,

you know, things happen so quickly. But overall,

what do you think? Yeah, so I continue to enjoy

the show. Yeah, it's not let me down yet. And

this episode was no exception, as we said, you

know, and you mentioned one of the longer recaps

we've had to do. But. I think that's a good testament

to all the moving parts that are happening here,

and really a good story that they're weaving

together. Weaving together like a web. See what

I did? No, but it's interesting, all the things

that they're doing. They've taken some liberties,

for sure, with some of the characters. I don't

know if I particularly love that man spider.

Man spider is the one that bit him versus a spider.

But I don't hate it either, because as we said

before, it is a... standalone universe in a standalone

universe outside of the MCU proper and everything

else. So it has no real bearing on anything outside

of this one tale. And so looking at it through

that lens, I'm less mad about that as I would

be if this was Tom Holland that received this

treatment, if that makes sense. Oh yeah, absolutely.

So, but yeah, I mean the story itself and, you

know, and then the flipping this thing on its

head so quickly, you know, you've got Ben and

Kat at the end of last episode. you know, seemingly

falling for each other, doing a little open mouth

kissing. And then at the end of this episode,

she's like, it's been, you know, go get, go find

it. They're talking about running away. Yeah.

They're talking about running away together.

Yeah. Retiring. And then, you know, just going

somewhere, just the two of them. And all it took

was, you know, one conversation and she's like,

well, I'm ready to just not do any of that. Yeah.

So definitely. And I, and I do said, I do think

that's kind of, cause I've always kind of looked

at black cat as like this roguish, not rogue,

the person, but roguish, like the, the genre

type person, you know, type character where the

motivations and the allegiances aren't super

crystal clear. And I think they're doing a good

job with that here, you know, because I didn't

expect that to happen. This idea that either,

you know, like we said before, she's. Still in

love with Flint or is a good enough person where

even if she's moved on from him, she doesn't

want him to die, but she's willing to dangle

Ben as a carrot on a stick in front of all this

stuff that's happening. And in the meantime,

as all this is going down, you also have Silverman

going on in the background getting ready to wage

war against the government. of new york right

you know with his army of super powered goons

yeah that was kind of just put aside this episode

yeah because i mean it's so easy that's and that's

what i mean there's so many movie parts so easy

to just gloss over that that's going on in the

background as this like big reveal happens I'm

really enjoying it, man. You know, there's there's

three episodes left. I can't wait to watch it.

Wow. You know, so that's where I'm at. How about

how about yourself? Yeah, I'm going to basically

echo you, man. It's so much fun. Despite Nick

Cage being Nick Cage and his very, very odd moments.

Asterisk disclaimer for everything that we say

is in spite of Nick Cage. Yeah, that's totally

fair. His interaction with with Dirk or Megawatt

this episode was. It was so weird. Very special.

I don't know what to make of that. But with that

exception, I actually was talking to a friend

of mine yesterday and they were talking about

potentially starting. I'm like, I was 100 percent

in the camp of starting it. Like, I encourage

it highly because it's ridiculous, because it's

corny, because it's fun. It's because it knows

what it is. It's just a good ride. And as you

said, well -written. The recap taking as long

as it was or has is. is great because it means

that there's so much to talk about because there

are so many interesting stories taking place.

It'd be very easy to make a, you know, five second

recap if it weren't interesting. So I'm loving

it. And I'm really intrigued to see where these

last episodes are going to take us because three

episodes seems like very little time to wrap

this up. No joke. Yeah. Or they're going to set

it up for a second season, which we haven't heard.

It's going to be in one. Not confirmed or denied,

but. I kind of hope that it does, unless they

really fall off the back end here on these last

three episodes. I really hope that they see how

they stick the landing. Yeah, correct. Yeah.

Put the car before the horse for sure. Right,

right. But all in all, having a blast and cannot

wait to see the rest. Absolutely. All right.

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