Nobody's Hero

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Here we go. I am Optimus Prime. No, you'll be

rich. It's not cat now. I know. He gave you like

$10 million, basically. I don't think she knows

that yet. She might not even know. Ultimately,

because he's not leaving now. Or did he leave

that money and then. Then get taken. And maybe

if she's driving a Bentley or something, we'll

know. Yeah, I mean, she could. She could think

she's he's just gone. Like nobody knows he's

gone except for cat. And she probably knows where

he is. They're not showing any of the crazy body

horror stuff in the recap. That makes me happy.

Very kind of them. Well, maybe it's not over

yet. Oh, no. Couldn't make it through. That's

not as bad as the spiders coming out of his holes.

Fair. Or him discovering his webbing. There's

still time, Ben. There's still time. There's

always time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nope. Nope. We're

getting flashbacks. At least it's not the little

floating bubble flashback nonsense. Start banging

on piano keys. That's how you know you're upset.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's also absolutely wasted.

Has the world's tiniest watch. Probably makes

it easy to play piano. It's like pool. You get

two beers in, you're like an expert. Yeah, dialed

in. You suck. These balls are moving on their

own, I swear. Oh, yeah. She's really upset. Yeah.

Yeah. Man, that's a good way to get a piano out

of tune. That's tickling the ivories in the weirdest

way. No. Tickling the ivories? Yeah. Why? That's

a real saying. Is that a term? Yeah. Oh, I just

learned something new. Oh, yeah. You're welcome.

Jeebus. Oh, man. Not making. Come on, Finn. Oh,

yeah, yeah, yeah. Blonsky. Oh, man. That's a

weird thing to say. Well, Ben was probably there.

Yeah. I betrayed Ben just a few minutes ago.

We were going to go to Santorini. Ooh. I don't

like your attitude. What do you call it? Piss

and vinegar? Yeah, it's piss and vinegar. Just

the kid, right? That's amazing. Okay. Well, that's

not fun. Yeah. Ooh. That's a good villain energy.

Didn't have to say a whole lot to him. Get him

all excited. Yeah, he's like, yeah, don't tell

me twice. Oh, man, he's such a good villain.

Yeah, he's got good villain energy. Yeah. He's

just having fun. Fighting is the point. That

man's last name, Pupula. I know, yeah, that's

a heck of a last name. It kills me. You know,

I'm not saying that we need to go back to that,

but there are certain names that maybe you should

find a stage name. Yeah. Or, you know, just be

proud of yourself. Yeah, yeah. It's 2026. If

you want to go on there and call yourself Pupula,

you do it. Right. Right. What's up? I'm popular.

Yeah. Yeah. We need some more web slinging. Yeah.

We're not getting enough web slinging. Yeah,

that's true. We've not seen enough spider action

for this to be a spider show. Well, I mean, we're

in the. pent ultimate episode. So these are the

time where you would really get into it. We've

seen some, they've teased us a little bit. These

last two episodes, I need to be blown away with

spider, spider action. I mean, these, these guys

were just sent out to cause mayhem. So I assume,

may assume we're going to see a little bit mischief

and mayhem. Morris, that fool. I believe in you.

Oh, this is where the mayhem is going to start.

Oh yeah. In the. You know what? In the pamphlet

packing facility. Well, that wasn't the move.

Nope. Nope. I'm clapping for you. I am an actor.

Shut up and laugh at my material. Oh, you know

what? That's really funny. Megawatt was an actor.

The Dirk was an actor, an Australian actor. Oh,

there you go. So his theatrics do kind of make

sense. Oh, no, sir. Well, I don't like that.

Good for Flint. Good for Flint. Yeah. Like we'll

kill, we'll cause mayhem, but none of that. Oh,

we're going to see a showdown between those two.

That could be interesting. I don't think Flint

will do so well. Just because I'm a bad guy doesn't

mean I'm a bad guy. Yeah, that's that's him.

Dirk, that guy is a bad guy. Yeah. Nope. Nope.

Nope, I don't. Oh, we're playing that game. Mm

hmm. Put that money in the sack. Oh, I really

like Flint. Why are you such a close talker?

He's creepy. Yeah. Yeah. I think they are trying

really hard to make you not like him. And boy,

they are succeeding. Mm hmm. Nailed it. Shouldn't

you be in Santorini? She's got a fresh hat. Mm

-hmm. Why didn't you come earlier? You know,

for Prohibition, everybody's drinking all the

damn time. We've got all that you can handle.

But to be fair, we learned from Silvermane that

his drink is not great. Yeah. Swill. I like that

camera angle with the glass. That's fun. So which

class is she? OK, she gave her the heavier poor.

Liar, you ratted him out. Yeah, yeah, we know

that that's not true. You jerk. Give her all

the information. No. If you're actually worried.

Fess up. Rip a cigarette right there in the middle

of the office. Very disappointed in her. Yeah.

Yeah. That was your time. That pivot point could

have still come out pretty clean. Well. Semi

-clean. You still ratted him out. I'd like to

talk to Robbie. Send me to the third desk from

the left. Oh, I don't like the noises those fans

are making. Boy, that's some ambiance. Oh, that

explains the hallway. Yeah. He's got to control

his fluid better. No, I don't like that. Maybe

that's why he drinks so much. He needs hydraulic

fluid. Yeah. This guy's like, please leave my

bar. Power of the sun. Come on, A -Man. Yeah.

Staying in business, but having one customer,

apparently. Right. Mm -hmm. My money. To the

money area. Wah. Point at it like that was necessary.

You picked this fight, man. It's a good start.

Well, they touch each other. God, he's such a

weenie. Yeah. Wiener. Kick the hornet's nest

and then ask somebody else to save you. Oh, sick

burn. Yes. No, just stating the facts, man. Man.

Oh, wow. Like never ending story flashbacks.

Now say you're like a three legged horse in quicksand.

What? It's so specific, sir. A four legged horse

in quicksand would also be kind of. Kind of screwed.

Yeah, kind of screwed. Yeah. Why did they get

all close to him? And there's a whole bar. Yeah,

it's urinal etiquette. Skip every other booth

or every other. Absolutely. Especially if there

are multiple people and loud. This man is wallowing.

You can tell. The spider? That's weird. Why?

Oh, man. Keep them coming, Eamon. Okay, Nick.

You've made so many maybes. Don't push the maybe,

baby. Oh, God. Oh, boy. Oh, there it is. Okay.

I was going to say, I don't think he's changing

minds today. Yeah. Are we about to see Ben make

another good decision? Maybe. He just kills those

guys. That'd be so messed up. We got drunk spider.

Yeah. Oh, is he actually? Oh, no, Ben. I bet

his spider outfit is just his regular clothes

with that mask. Right. It does make it easier.

Like you said, he doesn't need a phone booth.

Yeah. He's just got it in his pocket. Yeah, it's

in his pocket. Oh, God, he's actually Ben. He's

doing it. Yeah, he's doing it. Ben. Come on,

man. Because that's what heroes do. We need Ogden

back. Yeah. Oh, my God. That guy's dead. Yeah.

Man alive. He's not even going easy. Back there

with the baseball bat. Well, not anymore. Classic.

Classic. Yep. Oh. That was right on his, well.

Yeah, right on his liver spot. Open wound. Well.

Spiders have livers in weird places. That's what

I've learned from this show. Oh, they don't have

to show the opening for the web. He's just yelling

web every time he shoots it. Right. Nick Cage,

please go home. You're drunk. Go home. Yeah,

Nick. Nick. Jesus. Oh, boy. Looks a little spider

hammy with his mask all. Sticking out like that.

Yeah. Amazing Spider -Man. I'm here beating people

up. There is absolutely no way he's seeing through

those right now. Yeah, it's pulled up too high.

Yeah, his eyes are like mid midfold. I mean,

do they just all know that it's him now? He literally

walked outside and came right back in the same

clothes and beat them all up. I mean, at least

Ogden does. Not Ogden, excuse me. Yeah, the bartender.

Yeah. Amen. Hey, man. Hey, man. Hey, coach. McConaughey.

He always adds one or two extra words that he

doesn't need to. Judas. Again, why don't you

just go talk to her? Right. I mean, she did do

that, but you could at least get an explanation

instead of being a sad boy and beating up civilians.

Not the way to handle your trauma. No, you just

wrote about me on constantly saying I needed

to come back. If he throws up, I'm turning my

computer off. I think that's fair. He does the

glassy -eyed stare very well. That bottom button's

unbuttoned again. Is this a fashion choice? I

think, well, I mean, aren't you supposed to unbutton

your bottom button? I know that's for suit jackets,

but I'm just, I'm giving him the benefit, man.

Fashionistas, correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah,

maybe that was the 30s thing. Yeah, in the 30s,

men didn't button their vest all the way. Yeah,

pull the soldier card. Yeah, you're not dying.

dropping truths robbie yeah thank you robbie

he's probably closest to true north in this show

he's close yeah but for sure very uh selfishly

driven for his job yeah you know survival which

is fair Getting in a hole is what got him in

this mess. Isn't it always? Oh, man. I don't

like that face. Quit making a pouty, pouty face.

Oh, pouty spider. Yeah. Spider pout. Oh, because

his liver. I guess he wouldn't know that Ogden

and Faber didn't get out. I mean. He could probably

assume so. Yeah, maybe. Oh. She knew the whole

time. That's hilarious, right? That's pretty

great. Why is he always? Yeah. What's with the

what's with the eyes detaching from the mask?

Yeah. And every time he's just drunk. Yeah. Well,

apparently that's just when he spills his beans.

So I've been drunk a number of times in my life.

I've been so drunk that I've told you this several

times. I don't remember any of them. That's exactly

what I'm. Yeah. Thank you. he is very yellow

yeah yeah no kidding he has not been spidery

morally nor actually yeah yeah it says antidote

can't you read janet god labels even facing you

yeah What are you doing in my apartment? Touching

my fabrics. Knocks. Ben comes through the window.

Silverman lets himself in. He just appears out

of the shadows constantly. It's poor girl. Lack

of privacy. Oh, yeah, he's taking the antidote.

Oh, he's taking it. Yeah, this man got some reasons

to not be all sandy. Gets everywhere. It's coarse.

It's gritty. Adjective, adjective, adjective.

Verb. He's dropping good lines, though. I find

his delivery to be a little coarse. Well, of

course you do. That was my one. Sorry. Carry

on. Scratch your eyes out. I don't love him too

much because he was just taking an arachna. I'm

not going to finish what I'm saying. Webbing,

we'll say. Yeah, yeah. Ben showed you his web

shooters. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, the implications.

There's a way out. If any of you would just go

talk to Ben. Yeah. Right. Then we get a pouty

cat too. You touched his butt. That's true. You

did do that. All those things. Yeah, you did

all those things. And then confessed that you

were going to kill Silverman. Man, that is why

I was trying to run. Yeah. Multiple times. This

is three attempts to run. Yeah. Oh, have a cry

about it. I keep trying to get out. They keep

pulling me back in. Now she made a lot of doses.

That might say, yeah. How does he know the correct

dose? Mm hmm. You think you found them all? Maybe.

I don't think so. I'm going to use all that up.

And then next season, someone's going to pop

in. They're going to figure out how to make it

again. He's not thinking in season. It's going

to be like, here, take some of my liver juice.

There's my motto. That's my motto. Get that tattooed

somewhere. No power comes no response. That would

actually be a pretty funny tattoo. Oh, man. Look

at me wrong. Look at me wrong. Period there,

Ben. This is wrong. Dude, bro. Give me a bottle

of whiskey to vote for Hudson. Again, prohibition.

This is the year that prohibition ends, though.

I know, but it's still illegal. Well. Yeah, they

have, what is this, October? They got two more

months of prohibition. Oh, let's see. There's

your motivation. That's basically exactly what

Sandman told him. Oh, he hit him with the brother.

Oh. He's saying he knows him better than this.

Well, he did let him talk to him. Well, you just

walked in and kicked him in the chest, bro. Well,

that's not how you start conversation. Throw

that horse at him. Oh, give it time. They've

shown it too many times for it not to become.

Oh, swing. Oh, no, never mind. Oh, that was very

short lived. Oh. Say that's all Nick Cage right

there. I live for the pain, bro. Stop. That's

not going to go through the skin. Yeah. What

are you thinking? It's bulletproof, man. Oh,

there's one. One vial wasted. I live for the

pain. Obviously. Are you going to break two?

Are you going to break? Okay, that one didn't

break. No, that one's just convenient for Robbie.

What are you going to do? Are you going to stab

him in the eye or something? The nose? Oh, that

would suck. Both. Hey. Oh, shit. I was right.

Oh, my God. Oh, no. Oh, no. I don't want it.

I don't want it. Oh, no. I don't want it. There's

no end to my upsetness right now. Oh, God. Pull

it out, man. Oh, I hate it. I didn't like that

at all. Oh, look at that. I don't do that. Okay.

Whoa. No police brutality, please. No. Performance

issues, not uncommon. Yeah, not uncommon. What,

three out of five men or something? Oh, golly.

He's not super apparent, but that's still a giant

man. Yeah. Yeah, he may not be bulletproof, man.

He still kick your ass. Yeah. Should have just

taken the car without the door. Throw him in.

There's your hat. Oh, man, we need side skirts

back like that. Yeah. It's like getting cars

as it's speeding away. That's right. And time

agains. I'm glad the cops are just like, so anyways,

I started blasting. You stabbed me in the eye,

bro. Oh, in the eye. Luckily, it somehow did

no damage to his eye. Wow, he was still tombstone

-y. Yeah, well, apparently his eyes are too stony.

You're absolutely right. Yeah. That ain't right.

At least they got the hat. Yeah. Was he purring?

Probably. Get this man a hot dog to peel. See,

I'm more upset about that than the body horror.

I'm upset about both. Well, fair, fair. No, I'm

most upset about the eye stab. Oh, that made

my whole body cringe. Why is he doing that? The

priest. Robbie stabbed me in the eye. This place

is very blue. That's Robbie's contrast color.

Notice that's always behind him when he's wearing

his orange suit. Because that's what heroes do.

Questionable. That needle's kind of knocking

back and forth. Right. I knew it. Heroin. Yep.

Okay. Oh, man. That's about right. He's got news.

Red light district. Weird response. Yeah. Not

everyone likes it. That's why I asked Lonnie.

My eye hurts, but we're good. This man, Lonnie's

the flip -floppinest dude I think I've seen.

Yeah. Like he was like having a good guy kind

of vibe for a little while. And then he was like,

oh, no, I'm a villain now. And then he's like,

oh, step in the eye. Oh, I'm good again. Well,

I mean, being hunted by the police and down on

his luck and yada, yada, et cetera, et cetera.

Being all transformed and being considered a

monster. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I

don't necessarily, you know. It's not a huge

leap, but, you know, it's not necessarily a step

either. No, no, I'll buy it begrudgingly. I'm

glad he got a happy ending. Well, maybe. Oh.

What do we got a Lonnie tingle? Oh, man, it's

my Lonnie tingle. That's his mom's. I like it.

I know, I know. But he started reaching to the

back of his neck. I'm like, what is happening?

He's taking her to Niagara Falls. That is a big

man. He's totally not going to die or something

on the way. I hope not. I don't feel like Silverman's

the type that just lets people go, you know?

Yeah. Come on, man. Pudge. Goddamn. sobbing like

a baby. That's rude. Oh. Yeah, he's taking it.

What do you think? Are we going to go up against

Spider versus Spider and well, Spider and Flint

versus Megawatt because he's going to flip. Now

he knows there's an antidote. Look at that. Look

at that. Absolutely flippin'. Look at how his

face is doing. Mm -hmm. Oh, boy. That's not what

you want. That's a conflict of interest. All

right. Well, that's a good place to leave the

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and enjoy this episode of Stark Industries. Hello,

ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Deep

Dive for Snark Industries. We just got done watching

Nobody's Hero, which is episode seven of season

one of Spider Noir. John, what was that about?

All right. So after the big events of the last

episode, Ben is on the lam, as it were, seemingly,

as we have Cat show up at his office looking

for him. Janet, who's packing up. Everything

because everything's closing down and he's going

away with her. Greats are there and they kind

of have this exchange where neither of them knows

where Ben is. And clearly the move isn't happening

now. So it's all kind of very strange. Yeah.

And then we kind of get a cut over to where Ben

actually is, which is in a little bar somewhere

by himself. The only customer drinking his sorrows,

drinking his sorrows away. and everything else

and just kind of going through and he talks about

this antidote and the bartender's like, yeah,

the antidote, that's why I'm in business talking

about alcohol when he's talking about this removal

of his powers, which is kind of a funny exchange.

As that's kind of happening, we have Silvermane

who sends out his goons to go start wreaking

havoc on the city so that he can get his newly

appointed mayoral candidate elected. And they

show up. at the, what's the word I'm looking

for here? The campaign area? The campaign, yeah.

Center? Campaign prep, I guess. Yeah, yeah. We're

good at this, everyone, is what I'm trying to

say. So they show up there. It's Flint and it's

Megawatt, Sandman and Megawatt. I think they

use their power names here since they're doing

stuff. Comes in, sort of roughs people up, a

couple of cops. goes to the back where all the

campaign donations are. Campaign center is the

word I was looking for. There you go. Now we're

back on track and heads to the back where all

this money is and steals it all to sort of give

out to people so that they'll vote for the other

guy, which is, I mean, a good way to secure some

votes. Give me a big stack of money. You know,

maybe, but yeah, vote for Pedro. I'm here. All

right. So we have that happening. And of course,

now. One of these sort of groups who's been on

the receiving end of this generous donation for

the other candidate shows up at the same bar

that Ben's at, ready to spend all this money

on booze. Because, you know, that's what you

should do with it. Go get drunk. And they kind

of sit down and they talk about the new mayor

coming and everything that's happening. And they're

sort of poking fun about how the spider is washed

up and everything else is part of this sort of

tirade that these guys are having. They're clearly

just there for... Really a good time. You know,

they're not doing anything. I don't think they

have a pocket. But Ben, of course, being the

spider. Except for it's too close to him. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, sitting uncomfortably close to the

one other person in the bar when there's plenty

of other places to sit. I agree. That's kind

of a party foul. Not cool, man. Not cool. Yeah.

But they're kind of heckling the spider a little

bit, not realizing, of course, how could they

know that Ben is the spider and he's sitting

there listening. And he has a sort of drunken.

response to them. He's like, you know, I don't

have any feeling and feel the burn and all this

stuff. And they just, of course, all just laugh

at him because who wouldn't at a response like

that? I would. Yeah, I would. I was laughing

right along with him. Where'd you get this guy?

Yeah. So he goes outside after kind of, you know,

being shut down and made fun of even not knowingly

from these these men that are in here to drink.

Puts on his mask and goes back inside to completely

and totally beat the crap out of all of them

for no reason whatsoever. And this man still

has a secret identity. Yeah. I mean, literally

the same outfit and everything. And he just literally

steps out the door, puts on a ski mask effectively

and walks back inside with the same shirt, pants,

shoes and everything else on and just beats them

all. You know, wild behavior. But that's what

happens. Wild. Yeah, absolutely wild. And we

have Robbie kind of show up here to go in and

retrieve him from this bar. And, you know, what

are you doing, man? Robbie, I'm drunk or whatever.

And so it takes him back to his office, sits

him down. And he's sort of drunkenly talking

to both of them and reveals to Janet that he's

the spider. Oh, big shocker. And then we have

a flashback where he's apparently been so drunk

that he's done so several times in the past and

doesn't remember any of them, which is another.

Wonderful to remember this one. Just he is drunk.

Yeah. How will he forget another time? I would

I should assume so. But anyway, that's kind of

what happens there. And, you know, as he's starting

to sober up, he gets to work on putting these

antidote vials not for himself, because, as Robbie

says, he's really a good person, though. We just

gave a lot of examples of how that's not. entirely

accurate, begins working on putting the antidote

that he took in the previous episode into separate

vials. It looks like he's got five or six doses

that he sort of puts in a pouch. Meanwhile, back

at Kat's apartment, place of living, wherever

she's at, Flint shows up awkwardly standing in

one of her rooms uninvited, rubbing her clothes.

And they have a conversation with that. Basically,

he shows his hurt. from how she did things effectively.

You know, he realized he was not scared of dying,

but, you know, basically said, hey, you didn't

even let me die first before you went and moved

on to this guy talking about Ben and sharing

all your secrets. And that's that's what hurts

me. I'm not afraid of the dying part of this,

even though that's what's happening with these

powers, as we've discussed in the past. But what

the heck? You know, and to which case I say,

fair point, Flint. That was a pretty low move

on your part. And so they kind of have that conversation.

And he basically says, listen, I'm not going

to tell Silverman what you did. But he's going

to figure it out because he's not an idiot. So

do with that what you will. They obviously still

care about each other, but it's just there's

obviously a tension there. And I think a valid

one really ultimately because of her actions.

Though he definitely punched a hole in her wall,

which was not necessary, too. So not entirely

her, but I would give it like 80 -20 her to him

of who's in the wrong here. But they have that

conversation to move on. And as these powered

men continue kind of like knocking around and

causing this mischief and mayhem outside, Robbie

says, hey, let's go to Lonnie first. Let me talk

to him before you go in knocking down the door

in your spider suit, Ben. And Ben agrees. And

they kind of show up there. Robbie tries to talk

to him, and it's very clear, very quickly, that

Lonnie's not having it. Tombstone is going to

be Tombstone, and he can just get over it. And

then Ben, of course, swings in, kicks him to

the ground, and tries to stab him with one of

these vials. And, of course, it just bends against

his rock -hard Tombstone skin. And falls to the

ground and busts. This fight kind of ensues,

and Lonnie ultimately slams him into a car, effectively

knocking him silly. He pulls out another thing

to stab him with, but drops it on the ground.

He's like sort of like just laying there sort

of like, you know, the hood of this car. And

as Lonnie's coming in, ultimately what I would

assume to be a kill shot. I mean, he's about

to just slam him into this into this thing, which

was surprising for Lonnie. Agreed. Robbie runs

up, grabs the ball from the ground and stabs

him. And I'm already tensing up about to say

this stabs him in the eyeball with it. And oh,

man. So stabs him in the eyeball with this antidote,

which does, in fact, work for Lonnie as well.

We see his skin sort of go back to normal as

he stands there. And, you know, Robbie says,

hey, you know, help me get Ben out of here. Or

he didn't say Ben because Lonnie doesn't know

that. But help me get the spider out of here.

You know, and Lonnie, now that he's powerless,

is back to being a good guy again. But still

a massive man. And he's like, yeah, sure. No

problem. And goes and smacks a couple of the

cops around that are, you know, ready to commit

some police brutality out there. And they all

load up in a car and peel away to get Ben some

much needed rest. So they get him there. Ben

wakes up and he's, you know, still kind of out

of it. He's ready to pick up the fight with Lonnie.

Then, you know, Robbie's there and it's like,

you know, dude, chill out. Look around the room.

We're in my apartment. You're in my bed. Why

are you trying to fight this guy? And ultimately,

Lonnie's grateful for everything that they've

done for him, realized that he was there to help

ultimately, risked his life to help him kind

of thing. And ultimately says that he's ready

to get out of here. His mom always wanted to

go see Niagara Falls. So he's got the pendant

around his neck, which I assume is symbolic.

Maybe some ashes in there. I don't think they

did that back in the day, but symbolic at least.

that he's going to leave the city and go up that

way. And we see him kind of walk out into the

night as Ben is sort of resting and recovering.

Meanwhile, back at the scene where this fight

with Tombstone happened, both vials are collected

by different factions, one by the police and

another by some of Silvermane's goons. And individually,

they take these two vials back to their respective

leaders. So the mayor and Silvermane both get

access to these vials. And the story of what

happened, right? Spider showed up. Lonnie stabbed

in the eye and he's no longer Tombstone. Okay,

great. And so they both are saying, hey, this

is a problem. The spider was there. And they

both sort of, actually a pretty cool scene as

they're both kind of side by side on the screen.

They both say at the same time, get me Ben Reilly.

And so they're obviously both leaning in on a

connection that they think they both have. To

the same man, they just don't realize it. And

that's kind of how the episode ends as we come

up ultimately to what is the season finale next

episode. Sort of setting the stage for whatever

this climactic finish to all of this stuff is

going to be. So that is what happened during

the episode. In terms of MCU tie -ins, we're

going to say it again for posterity. There aren't

any. Standalone universe within the Sonyverse,

totally disjointed from the MCU. And really,

dare I say, outside of it on another level with

how Ben acts and like you said, you know, the

beating up of the people in the bar really bothered

me. You know, shocking. Yeah, it's really anti.

You know, there are some heroes that I could

expect that kind of energy from. If that was

the Punisher in there or something like that.

OK, sure. Yeah, Frank, I get it. I get it, bro.

That's you. But to see it out of a spider, you

know, that's any spider. Yeah. That's what I

said. It is. See it out of a spider like any

spider. You know, it's just it just doesn't fit.

It doesn't feel right. But I guess that's more

to the thoughts and feelings. But in terms of

in terms of MCU tie ins, I said there's there's

not really familiar names. Right. And that's

really about it. Yeah. But yeah. How about in

terms of comic book tie ins, Easter eggs, things

of that nature? Yeah. As far as comic tie ins,

not a ton this go around. There was actually

kind of. Exactly the opposite. I mean, I was

expecting Tombstone to have similar weaknesses

to what he did in the comics. There's never been

any mention of Tombstone's eyes or anything like

that being softer or a penetrable skin. He's

always been. Sorry to bring it back up. Sorry.

Go ahead. We can do this together. But he's always

he's always had. Obviously, they took a different

direction with the carapace feel in the comics.

He's more a almost vampiric, not. Not in the

sense that he is a vampire, but he has the white

skin with sensitivity to light and certain gases

and things like that. Certainly never a mention

of soft orifices, which is a horrible thing to

say now that I've said it. But there it is. Take

those words back. Take them back. But yeah, so

as far as Tombstone is concerned, that was an

interesting choice, but I'm not mad at it. Well,

I'm kind of mad at it because of, you know, eye

stabbing is not something you want to see every

day. As far as that's concerned, that's kind

of where that's left. So interesting choice,

kind of anti -comic reference. But for comic

references, we did have Robbie kind of being

the moral center of this story, which he is,

as we discussed in the watch party, probably

the moral compass. Of this entire show, like

the most true north, because we've got, as you

said, Ben beating people up. He has done extortion

or an extortion, but blackmail. I mean, he's

done a lot of things in this show that are not

super spidery. Yeah. So having for sure. Yeah.

Having Robbie be the moral north is is pretty

comic accurate because he has always been that

reliant character in the comics. He is he's ultimately

the one to take over the bugle. And in. During

Robbie's reign at the Bugle, it is a trustworthy

news source. I mean, he is a very moral character

in those stories. So I'm glad to see that shining

through. He is kind of that beacon of correctness

in this show. So kind of cool to see that Spider

-Man being known who Spider -Man is, is kind

of his worst kept secret. That's a pretty common

theme in the books as well. Like everyone in

his immediate. typically knows who he is, with

the exception of some notable ones like Aunt

May and things like that, which is wild. But

it's pretty well known. There are a number of

characters that know who Spider -Man is, and

most of his villains do as well. So people figuring

that out is kind of a theme in Spider -Man. So

I guess that's kind of connected to the comics.

But other than that, I didn't find a whole lot

else. If people see it, please come on over to

the Discord and let us know, because I really

enjoyed this episode, but there wasn't a whole

lot to tie us to the comic book world. So with

all that being said, how'd you like it? I know

you kind of touched on it already. Yeah. So,

and I did like it. I continue to like the show.

There was some questionable things here that

I didn't care for, but there were like specific

instances of what was happening more so than

the actual story at large. Like I said, just

beating up civilians, drunken or not, you know?

And I mean, and not even just casual. I mean,

that one guy, he booted across the room and smashed

to the back of the bar. And that guy should be

paralyzed or dead, you know? Yeah. Humans don't

take hits like that. And so, yeah, that was an

odd choice. They're clearly trying to go for

Ben as being this sort of morally ambiguous,

flawed version. And he mentions in the last episode

and kind of reiterates it a bit here is that,

you know, he didn't do, you know, the spider

was never meant to be a hero. He just did it

for the thrills. And I'm wondering if that's

what they're trying to lean into and have this

be a story. Not only is he coming back to being

the spider from where he had put it away after

Ruby died, but also. Growing into a Spider -Man

that we would more recognize in terms of morality

and in terms of things like that. So maybe that's

what they're trying to do. I'm going to give

them the benefit of the doubt on that maybe and

say, because right now, yeah, it just doesn't

feel right with some of the choices. And I agree

with you. I think that that's probably where

they're going with it, but it shouldn't be in

the second to last episode. Yeah, right. That

should have been an earlier episode. And they're

still, they still haven't got it. Maybe they're

hoping for some season two action. We haven't

got confirmation yet at the time. But maybe that's

what they're hoping and they can continue that

line. Or maybe they're just doing whatever they

want. And this is all just part and parcel for

what they think is a good idea. But minus the

things like that, I did actually still enjoy

the episode. I like how it's all coming together.

Watching Lonnie flip -flop. I think it could

have been portrayed a little better. Like as

an overall arc, you see a man that's desperate,

that doesn't have anything. People are after

him. He's in the slums. And then he's going to

have a job and have a warm bed to sleep in and

have good food to eat. You know, and then as

that all goes away. But just the way that it

was so, like both times when he went over to

Silverman's side and when he went back to Nott

was just so quick. I feel like they could have

really, yeah, they really could have like smoothed

out those curves a little bit for Lonnie. Because,

I mean, I find him to be. a particularly enjoyable

character in the show. Agreed. Even though, like

you said, he is very different in a lot of ways

from the comic book Tombstone. Like you said,

this sort of, you know, albino really is the

way that I would say a type of character. And

obviously, you know, here, you know, the actor

and everything is an African -American actor

and everything. So they're really going a different

direction completely, which I'm not mad about.

Yeah. No, not at all. I would like for his flip

-flop of story does make sense from a narrative

standpoint, but I would have liked it to have

just been a little smoother because, you know,

big decisions like that aren't something you'd

make in one conversation. Yeah, they could have

handled it a little more clearly. You know what

I mean? Yeah. They could have given a little

bit more limelight to him and his story and how

he was going through that. But still. And unless

something happened in this last episode, it seems

like Lonnie, a .k .a. no longer Tombstone, he's

not Tombstone anymore, he's Tombstone -less,

is going to get a happy ending. And I think that

he very well deserves it from how he's been portrayed

and shown in this show. Yeah, we hope not to

see him again. Yeah, I hope I don't see him again.

It's been real, Lonnie, but I hope I don't see

you again because you've come full circle. You'll

get that happy ending. That's right. To see it

all kind of come together and we see, you know.

And we talked about in the watch party, and I

agree with you, you know, it definitely looks

like Flint is going to be one who's going to

want to accept this cure willingly because he

just he wants to get back to life. I think at

this point, you know, the life that he had with

Kat or whatever. And, you know, I definitely

see that. But on the flip side, Megawatt's not

there. He's not going to take it. He's going

to try to fry everybody that's in his way. So

seeing all this sort of ultimately come up to

the crescendo, which will be the season finale.

It's really well done. I can't wait to get this

last one knocked out and figure out how all this

kind of falls into place and everything else.

So, yeah, I've enjoyed the ride the entire time,

minus the eye stabbing and the body horror from

the last episode. But the story itself and the

things that they're doing, really, really well

done. Yeah. Really looking forward to seeing

it. So how about yourself? Yeah, it's been a

fun ride. The fact that this is the penultimate

episode for this season is exciting. And, you

know, typically some big things happen on the

penultimate. This one didn't feel like there

were as big a swings being taken, with the exception

of Silvermane losing Tombstone, which is. A massive

hit to one of the sides of this this oncoming

war that we're seeing. But I really I'm going

to echo you with Tombstone's arc. I really like

the character. I like what they did with him.

Certainly not the character from the comics that

we know, which is totally fine. And to my knowledge,

this is the only live action Tombstone that we've

gotten. So pretty good, pretty good template

to put out there for this character. If that's

if that's all we're going to see for him. The

stabbing of the eye did kind of bother me because

that's not a typical. Or classic tombstone. He's

not ready for it. Yeah. Well, in that it's just

not a classic tombstone weakness. I thought that

they were going to go more the direction of his

classical stuff, but it's fine that they didn't.

And it was fun to watch, but whatever. What I

really did like, and you mentioned it as well,

and I suppose it could be kind of. Kind of a

technical tidbit from our Easter eggs bit is

the the filming of that last section, the way

they handled that kind of the comics, the comic

panels sliding in and out. That was really very

comic booky and it felt really well done. And

the way the conversation was progressing through

multiple scenes was a lot of fun. And I really

dug that. And I love when movies and shows do

that. So, yeah, overall. Ton of fun. I am I am

buckled in and I'm so ready for this last episode

because I have no idea where they're going to

go. I want to see a Sandman megawatt showdown

is really what I'm hoping they're leading toward.

And it feels like they might. So I want to see

Flint get back on his track. But I mean, we might

lose him. Or I don't I don't feel like Flint

has has what it takes to go up against Megawatt.

And I feel like that's the direction we're headed.

And I'm kind of excited to see where it goes.

So can't wait. Yeah. Season and perhaps series

finale. We don't know yet. Yeah. But yeah, we'll

see next time. We hope to see you all there.

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